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vladuz976 03-19-09 10:27 PM

Singlespeed Fixed?
 
I don't really understand the difference.
How exactly is a fixed gear bike different from a singlespeed?

Sixty Fiver 03-19-09 10:31 PM

One of them coasts... the other does not.

comlag225 03-19-09 10:31 PM

You're just being lazy.

"A fixed-gear bicycle or fixed wheel bicycle is a bicycle without the ability to coast."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-gear_bicycle

"A single-speed bicycle is a type of bicycle with a single gear ratio."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-speed_bicycle


"A subset of single speed bike is the fixed-gear bicycle. The difference is that a fixed-gear bike does not have freewheel mechanism to allow coasting."

RichPugh 03-19-09 10:34 PM

A fixed gear bike is technically a single speed bicycle but commonly a "Singlespeed" bike is a 1 speed freewheel bike and a "Fixed gear" bike is a 1 speed bike that does not coast.

vladuz976 03-19-09 10:40 PM

So the singlespeed ones are the ones that make the clicking noise at the cog in the rear when coasting? Just like geared bikes do?
And a fixed ratio is like a child's tri-cycle then? So if I pedal backwards the wheel is gonna move the other way?

areacode312 03-19-09 11:05 PM

Yes.

You can stop pedaling with a single speed freehub and coast.
With a fixed gear you pedal no matter what unless fully stopped.

adriano 03-19-09 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8563959)
So the singlespeed ones are the ones that make the clicking noise at the cog in the rear when coasting? Just like geared bikes do?
And a fixed ratio is like a child's tri-cycle then? So if I pedal backwards the wheel is gonna move the other way?

looks like he

http://www.calpoly.edu/~mmehl/Images/Gotcha.jpg

vladuz976 03-20-09 03:39 AM

That seems kind of difficult. What if the cadence gets so high, let's say when you go downhill, that you lose control and your feet get off the pedal, then you can't brake anymore.

ascend 03-20-09 04:09 AM

fixed gear: like a child's tricycle

in before next hipster fad

planyourfate 03-20-09 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8564565)
That seems kind of difficult. What if the cadence gets so high, let's say when you go downhill, that you lose control and your feet get off the pedal, then you can't brake anymore.

Most people make this assumption, and it seems pretty obvious why. However, there are a lot of factors that determine speed of descent (tire/road friction, rotational weight of wheels, weight of rider and bike, etc.). On a fixed gear bike you can also resist the rotation of the pedals or simply allow your feet to follow the pedals around which will help to control the speed of descent. Most (smart) fixed gear riders ride with foot retention which keeps the feet connected to the pedals even at high cadence speeds. The fastest descent speed I have had is 35 mph, and with my gear ratio I wasn't losing control of the pedals. In fact if I had not been winded from the climb to the top of the hill I could have easily topped that speed.

7eleven 03-20-09 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8564565)
That seems kind of difficult. What if the cadence gets so high, let's say when you go downhill, that you lose control and your feet get off the pedal, then you can't brake anymore.

this is the first thing i thought of before i started riding.
plus, i didn't even know about foot retention . . .

vladuz976 03-20-09 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by planyourfate (Post 8564735)
Most people make this assumption, and it seems pretty obvious why. However, there are a lot of factors that determine speed of descent (tire/road friction, rotational weight of wheels, weight of rider and bike, etc.). On a fixed gear bike you can also resist the rotation of the pedals or simply allow your feet to follow the pedals around which will help to control the speed of descent. Most (smart) fixed gear riders ride with foot retention which keeps the feet connected to the pedals even at high cadence speeds. The fastest descent speed I have had is 35 mph, and with my gear ratio I wasn't losing control of the pedals. In fact if I had not been winded from the climb to the top of the hill I could have easily topped that speed.

Thanks, that was a really helpful reply.
Fixed gear sounds very nice for the city, but seems to add a little bit too much difficulty. I think I am going to keep my geared bike around for longer trips.
I mean especially with foot retention I can see some really ugly accident going downhill.
Once your legs get tired you can't brake anymore and at that speed you can't get your feet of either.

icyclist 03-20-09 07:14 AM

>Once your legs get tired you can't brake anymore and at that speed you can't get your feet of either.<

Brakes are allowed. :-)

aMull 03-20-09 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8564792)
Thanks, that was a really helpful reply.
Fixed gear sounds very nice for the city, but seems to add a little bit too much difficulty. I think I am going to keep my geared bike around for longer trips.
I mean especially with foot retention I can see some really ugly accident going downhill.
Once your legs get tired you can't brake anymore and at that speed you can't get your feet of either.

Believe me if you need to stop you will stop no matter how tired your legs are. Plus, you can install a front brake like most riders do. And foot retention will prevent an ugly downhill accident happening, not the other way around.

vladuz976 03-20-09 07:32 AM

Yeah, I guess I would need to test ride one, to see how it feels.
but a front brake for downhill doesn't sound very safe.

aMull 03-20-09 07:40 AM

It is very safe if you know how to use it. The rear is next to useless compared to the front.

vladuz976 03-20-09 07:52 AM

well, you pull the brake lever? how much more is there too it?
and if I am already going downhill and pull that hard, physics is telling me I am gonna fly.

Sixty Fiver 03-20-09 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8565243)
well, you pull the brake lever? how much more is there too it?
and if I am already going downhill and pull that hard, physics is telling me I am gonna fly.

You need to take a few riding lessons... proper braking technique is really important no matter what you are riding and many people who have been riding for decades don't possess this skill.

vladuz976 03-20-09 08:03 AM

Any suggestions on how to learn that?
I don't know of any places that offer riding lessons for bikes.

kcirick 03-20-09 08:05 AM

Whenever you test ride your first fixie, don't try to just stop your legs (like you would on a singlespeed with freewheel). I almost made that mistake. It doesn't feel good

Physics tells you you fill fly if you are going so fast and you try to stop too soon. The art of braking is to stop as fast as you can without crossing that line.

kcirick 03-20-09 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8565291)
Any suggestions on how to learn that?
I don't know of any places that offer riding lessons for bikes.

Ride on grass and experiment. When you make a mistake it wont hurt as much as on a pavement, and cars won't run over you when you fall.

vladuz976 03-20-09 08:07 AM

Yeah, only problem is that no single store in Tokyo will have a 54cm frame in stock. I'll have to order everything. So basically have to commit to buying before test riding.

Sixty Fiver 03-20-09 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8565291)
Any suggestions on how to learn that?
I don't know of any places that offer riding lessons for bikes.

Read this...

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html

kcirick 03-20-09 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8565314)
Yeah, only problem is that no single store in Tokyo will have a 54cm frame in stock. I'll have to order everything. So basically have to commit to buying before test riding.

I don't believe you for a second. Tokyo must be full of cool bike stores that carry anything you can think of. Where abouts in Tokyo are you?

vladuz976 03-20-09 08:15 AM

That was a good article. Thanks. I'll try that out tomorrow.

vladuz976 03-20-09 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by kcirick (Post 8565339)
I don't believe you for a second. Tokyo must be full of cool bike stores that carry anything you can think of. Where abouts in Tokyo are you?

I live in Iidabashi. Pretty much the center of Tokyo. About 2 mins from the Palace.
Trust me, I've been here for a year and a half and I know that it is really hard to find anything, not only bicycle parts if you're slightly taller than the average Japanese.

To give you an idea. T-shirt sizes in Japan. S, M, L, LL.
LL is equivalent to a US size M.
Shoe size 44 or US 10, is considered huge.
Try to find a store that carries frames in sized for people over 175cm. Not a chance! One out of a 100 customers might buy it. They just don't carry it. I had to order my Cannondale, too. The largest they had in the store was size M.

vladuz976 03-20-09 08:29 AM

But yeah, they must have a lot of nice bicycle stores. I haven't discovered many yet. But there are just so many people riding bikes here, those stores gotta be somewhere.
I've only found, two really good ones. W-BASE and ProTech in Harajuku and Omotesando. W-BASE is pretty cool.

MysticRats 03-20-09 11:33 AM

Ay, if you get me a WBASE shirt,
I'll get ya something comprable in price here in the states you might be needin.
PM and I can send my trade list as well. :) :thumb:

Sixty Fiver 03-20-09 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by vladuz976 (Post 8565365)
That was a good article. Thanks. I'll try that out tomorrow.

:thumb:

When I was a kid we had bicycle safety courses and proper braking technique was something we were taught early on... my daughters are 9 and 11 and almost never use their rear brakes and can do full on stops.

These braking skills were also pre-requisite for them to be able to come and ride on the road and bike paths with me.

vladuz976 03-20-09 09:44 PM

That's a very good idea. In fact, I remember, when I bought my Cannondale Bad Boy with front and rear brakes, the store even told me to be careful with the front brake. Not to pull it when I am at high speed. Very interesting now after reading sheldon brown's site. I am trying that technique today.


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