What is the difference in geo between TT and WT or they both the same?

Let me know as soon as you see one in person....if there are two sets of water bottle cages bosses there will probably be a new bike for me!

Roland

I guess you just don't know how to read.

I see that the WT(f) is up for pre-order on bikes-direct. Only thing stopping me from not sending you a check this instant is the lack of pictures of the emerald green. Any chance you can post a picture of a frame in that colour.

Also, any chance of a frameset? I know I can just buy the complete and sell the parts I don't want, but if I can, I'd like to save myself the effort.

Why not a chromed options like with the Jury? Chrome is really durable for commuter bikes and there is no paint to chip.

My Kilo TT was just stolen so I've a preorder in for a WT in green. ( https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/1353833731.html )

I can post pics once it arrives. Way to go bikesdirect, what a bike!

I've an axiom rack/vancouver bag, rear light, 16t fixed cog/ring, cross brakes to replace the drop levers, some campus pedals, SKS fenders on order too. This build will be fun.

thank you, I'm anxiously awaiting the chance to blow a pay-check.

I'm in agreement with the above posters. Waiting to see pics of the other colors before I buy. Have a honey colored Brooks B-17 in need of a bike and I can't make up my mind what it will look best on.

Hi,

The Kilo WT is pretty good so far. I'm only riding it fixed 48/16 with the stock 700x32 tires. The tires are big enough to survive an 8" concrete drop at 15mph without a pinch.

Last weekend I had it out on fire roads and that was a blast for sure. Solid bike like the TT but capable of bouncing off dirt and rocks now.

I've some 45mm fenders on it and they fit inside the brake calipers. Also have a rear rack in place, though the rear rack and fender share a threaded mount.

Once the rain is up this spring I'll pull the fenders back off and probably run 700x40 city tires for fun and change the rear to a 18 tooth.

It's a heavy bike and the larger tires really change the dynamic compared to a TT.

I pulled the drop levers off and only use a set of cross instead and that helps me stay visible when I have to pull the brakes in traffic. I had the same setup on the front of my old TT.

Thanks for the update slacksci.

I'm seeking more impressions/reviews on the WT. Anyone? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on either WT or TT. I have no bike right now, recently sold my old mtb. Looking for something cheapish, fun and fast, but perhaps durable enough for occasional groceries etc, and I live in Seattle so the fender-readiness of the WT is appealing to me. (Would a TT with my 150lbs + a rack+load be ok or would it be a little dainty with 23s around here in rain? Are raceblades adequate?)

I can't fit a front fender on my TT with the brake on it, so you may want to go with the WT...

raceblades start behind the brake I think? might want to look into a pair

I've had a WT for a few weeks and am happy with it. Welds on the frame seem clean, and it is made of 520 Reynolds steel (placing it at about the same quality as most name brand entry level frames). 700 x 28tires (conti gator skins) and full fenders (planet bike 35mm) fit fine with no real clearence issue or problems with toe overlap. I intially started with the stock Kenda 700 x 32s and full fenders, which created a bit of toe overlap at low speeds that I wasn't happy with. Wheelset is probably the weakest point on the build, but they arrived reasonably true and will easily get me through until I decide to upgrade. I changed out the pedals, stem, and saddle right away, but I would have likely done this on any entry level single speed since I ride clipless and like fizik saddles. I suspect the bottom bracket (a place where a lot of builders skimp since it is out of sight) may not last long, but a cartridge bottom bracket is not expensive to replace. The sugino crank isn't top of the line, but it seems nicer than the FSA vero crank that comes on a lot of single speeds near this price point. Gearing is a bit high for street use imho, but I was able to easily and cheaply switch out the 48 tooth chainring for a 45 tooth origin 8 ring. Not a big cost.

The graphics didn't do it for me, but they were easy to cover up with white electrical tape on the white frame. Will probably get it powder coated a color I like and upgrade the wheelset at some point after winter.

All and all, a very solid bike for the price. Good bike for commuting in all types of weather. Much much better than the beater mtb I was using as a foul weather/winter bike before this. The $439 price shipped lets you get on something right away and spend the $200-300 you saved compared to other entry level single speeds on parts over time after you figure out what you want. If you want a single speed that can take larger tires and full fenders, I think this bike is definitely worth looking at.

hey, i was just wondering if anyone knows the weight of the bike. I know the normal tt is about 20lbs. I'm wondering cause I'm looking to get a new bike to get around the city with and I need to carry it up a few flights of stairs everyday so the thieves don't get to it.

I don't know the exact weight, but if you're going to be going up a flight or two of stairs, I would look at an aluminum bike.

I'm really curious as to how this compares in handling to a Steamroller. The main area which I like about this is that it's basically a steamroller with a little more room for bigger tire and options for racks, BUT how is it that the WT fork has the same Axle to Crown length as the steamroller, but yet has oodles more room for bigger tires. The WT forks has the same shape as the Crosscheck fork, but a CC fork has a 400mm A-C length whereas the Steamroller fork has a 375mm A-C length. I'm a little confused by this. The clearances look very similar to a CC, but yet it says the geo is the same as the Steamroller???

just put your big boy pants on a carry it up the stairs.

Can we please move beyond axle to crown length when talking about geometry. It really tells very little of what is going on. Front end handling is a factor of trail, which is influenced in part by axle to crown length, but also by fork rake, by tire size and even by head tube angle.

Understood, but when the geo listed is exactly the same yet the frameset clearly shows much more space for tire room, it makes me wonder how did they did it.

maybe a thinner crown, anyway, the steamroller fits 38's. The wt 45's. 7mm is not that big of a difference, especially taking in to account the fudge factor causesd by dishonest (or sometimes just variable) sizing of tires.

yea true, but that's still 7mm of room to work with regardless. When you shell out $ to find that your tire doesn't fit, you'd definitely appreciate the extra room then (of course who in their right mind wants a super fat tire'd track bike)

I think the steamer can only fit full fenders with tires under 32mm right?

haha, big boy pants. I've been carrying my old 30lb aluminum mountain bike (with front shock, rack, lock etc attached) up and down for the past few years. Just looking for something lighter and simpler cause at the end of the day, I'm not always down with extra effort. I had a SE draft for a while which was 22lbs and that was hi-ten steel. I figure this bike should be atleast on par with that.

This bike is constantly compared to the Steamroller, and I checked their numbers and they're indeed identical at every frame size.. except for the slanted top tube on the WT? What's the reason for slanted top tubes? Do they affect ride?

No.

I didn't even notice it had a slight upslope. I guess that's how they allow for the extra space. It's pretty small and not as pronounced as the Langster