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look up and see my response that is how diy can cost that much when you get things that will actually secure your bike

if you use a regular old master lock and a cable or chain your bike will end up being stolen

you obviously have never tried to cut normal, hardware store chain before with a bolt cutter. Not difficult at all, while the better chains are tempered with boron manganese for strength and have links that are shaped to make cutting difficult. there is a huge difference.

If you're really serious about locking up your bike there's really only one option:



Trick I learned, though, it's usually easier to wrap it around your waist like a belt than to try and carry it in a backpack or something.

That chain might look heavy duty but bolt cutters would go through that like butter. I'd be better off just getting a $10 krypto fahgettaboutit

Yeah true plus an angle grinder would tear through it in 30 sec tops

My bike is going to get stolen no matter what I get so I should just save the money and not lock it at all. At the same time it is always completely necessary to lock your frame, both wheels, chainring, saddle, and handlebars. You should spend no less than $300 on locks.

And since this is a DIY thread... my girlfriends dad is a welder and I was thinking of asking him to cut off the horizontal dropouts and putting in some track drops. I really love my frame... it isn't like super nice or anything but it fits me awesomely and it's steel lugged. Is it worth all the work from track dropouts? what are the advantages/disadvantages? You guys are probably gonna tell me to just go out get a new steel lugged track frame because it's stupid to put any time or work into your bike if it isn't njs certified.

I think you might be overreacting, dude.

I like all bikes, and I like the idea of being able to hang on to them. Not saying that your plastic chain wrapped in hemp won't work wherever the hell you are, but I'd much rather trust my bike to a u-lock or two.

I don't see any particular reason to go to track ends if the horizontal dropouts are working for you. They'll actually suck less than track ends if you ever decide to put some fenders on.

Depending on what type of welding he does for a living, it may be like asking a jackhammer operator to do your dental work.

Me as well I need one of those.

try to be less DIY. it's not working out for you very well.

buy a damn mini u-lock. use it.
if your bike fits and you like it, who cares about track ends?

Is this a hipster thing like building a fixie, with a homemade top pad?

"I was gonna use the check nylon, but a really like this old sail canvas, it's really hip" lol

Who said the diy thing wasn't working out for me? I wasn't planning on going out and buying a ****ty 1/16" chain and wrapping it in a T-shirt. I was taking about high grade high test chains and thick tough fabric to wrap it as to make it harder to get the bolt cutters in the chain. However, this was just an idea, thought I would see what people had to say about it. As far as the track ends go, that was also just an idea, I don't have any problems with the dropouts now but wanted to know whether or not there were any advantages to track dropouts. I saw the guy in the DIY thread who had made his own and I though it was an interesting idea. I really don't understand why this board is so against projects of anytype. Honestly, anytime some kid comes asking questions about a conversion everyone says the same thing "bikesdirect" I know conversions can be more expensive but you get a bike that you built not the same factory bike as everyone else.

You've got me all wrong, I love the hell out of conversions, but I don't see any benefit to hacking off my conversion's nice campy dropouts just so I can tack-weld some sub-11s to it or whatever.

I guess all I'm saying is this: projects are great, but they're much better when there's a reason behind them besides "hey, can I do this?"

More like well I need <blank> but I spent my meager minimum wage paycheck on rent and organic foodstuffs so now I guess I will try to make it with whatever crap I have lying around. And I say that in the most serious tone possible.

Bike locks FTW!!

I see what you mean, that's why I was asking what the advantages are. I also love projects and conversions and diy ethics. And btw I have a job that pays more than minimum wage and I get a good amount of scholarships and grants. But money starts getting scarce at the end of the summer when I am running out of scholarship money.

Oh yeah, and anyone who buys organic because it says organic is an idiot.

And the picture above shows you can spend a fair amount of money on a bike lock and still get your bike stolen by being an idiot.

just drop $20 on the onguard bulldog mini-u & cable pack, free shipping from Amazon.com

That does look like a pretty good deal. I hate the way amazon gives the free shipping for orders over $25 and everything I look at is like $23 and then you can't find anything eligible for free shipping for under $10.

But I'll probably pick that up soon.

Buy a book you like with it. Unless you DIY your books too.

lol

about 20 years ago (uhhg ,has it been that long), during the winter, I use to ride my old ten speed about a mile and half to campus. The tires were old and bare, and not seated on the rims, there was no air in the tubes, so I was rolling on the rims. The brakes were seized and didn't really work, not that I could get up to speed in the snow, but it was still faster then walking.
I would tie it up with a shoe lace and go to class.
No one ever took it.

seriously with the amount of force needed to break something like a fuhgettaboutit, that chain would not survive.

I think it's the shape of the chain. You'd have to ruin a bolt-cutter to cut it.