Advice on tool slection
 

So I have finally came to the conclusion that I need to get a stand and tools. I frequently overhaul and repair older steel bicycles and sell them as a hobby and for cash flow. I typically overhaul the entire bicycle and wanted to know a few things. I find myself converting a lot of these bicycles to single speeds.

What size cone wrenches will I need for the hub nuts for repacking hub bearings? I will just need 2, correct? For the BB assembly, is the sizing pretty much the same for older vintage bikes? I have been using a neighbors tools and he only has one BB wrench and it seems to fit most of mine so far. Will the one in my cart work fine, as well as the spanner for the lock ring? Will l I need any freewheel removing tools or will a chain whip work for removing the stock freewheels and clusters off of

Here is my cart thus far at Treefortbikes.com. I found that the stand was by far the cheapest from here and the pricing competitive and shipping doesn't seem bad.

Thanks for the help in advance.

I went for the stand at Performance... I like it so far, it's on sale but out of stock, doh!

Spin Doctor Pro G3
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes..._1030266_-1___

Different tool than chain whip for the freewheels, pretty sure something like one of these.
http://www.parktool.com/products/det...at=4&item=FR-6

BB use diff types for different makes/models
http://www.parktool.com/products/category.asp?cat=25

May need a crank puller too...
http://www.parktool.com/products/category.asp?cat=26

Cone wrenches etc...
http://www.parktool.com/products/category.asp?cat=18

Parktool and Pedro's seem to make the same types of stuff, not sure if one is better than the other.
http://www.parktool.com/
http://www.pedros.com/

Maybe you can find a kit that saves you cash and isn't duplicating too many of the things you have already.

http://www.treefortbikes.com/index.asp

Sorry, my internet was wigging out.

Just added the CCP-22 Park crank puller too. This should fit a lot of the older ST BB's, correct?

Some stuff here... no tax, and shipping included.
http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ories:%20Tools

That's the one I got, haven't used it yet... will be testing it out soon while messing around with the Scrambler build. It's gonna be my "build-n-learn" project like the old Erector set of childhood. Heh

I will need to get a vice to use and remove the stock SunTour, Shimano, etc. freewheels one would typically find on old Univegas, Schwinns, Peugeots, etc., correct? I guess for some reason I am blanking out, but I CANNOT remove an old style gear cluster off of a 27" or 700C" with just a chain whip, right? I will need the "keys" if you will, right? And I will probably need a vice to remove them.

Looks like a whip, tool, vice, or even two whips from this info...
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=48
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=46

Typically, why size of cone wrenches will I need for most 27" wheels applications? Would this be the same for 700c road wheels are well?

Updated cart, minus cone wrenches which is I beleive the last thing on my list...please chime in!

http://www.treefortbikes.com/index.asp

umm. i dont know if you realize or not, but we cannot see your cart as you are posting the link to a general index of the site. Thus /index.asp at the end. And for the most part, shopping carts are done in a cgibin. So what ever is in your cart is stored on your computer. or on their webserver for your account. INSHORT: WE CAN'T SEE ****.

just list what you have in your cart instead.

The nuts on my sealed Formula hubs on the Dawes SST are 15mm inner and 17mm outer.

On my older 90s Nishiki MTB unsealed hubs its 13/17 front and 15/17 rear.

Hope it helps some... maybe someone else can help with older stuff...

Oh, sorry guys, just copied and pasted..hope it works/helps.

Park
CT-5 Chain Tool
$11.77
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Park
FR-1 Freewheel Remover
$4.99
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Park
PCS-9 Home Repair Stand
$84.99
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Park
SR-1 Chain Whip/Sprocket Remover
$16.45
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Park
FR-3 Freewheel Remover
$7.79
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Park
FR-6 Freewheel Remover
$7.99
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Park
DCW-4 Double Sided Cone Wrench 13/15mm
$3.95
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Park
HCW-4 Crank/BB Wrench
$13.95
quantity:


Park
HCW-5 Crank/ BB Wrench
$10.95
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Park
CNW-2 Chainring Nut Wrench
$3.95
quantity:


Park
HCW-15 Headset Wrench
$12.99
quantity:


Park
CN-10 Cable/Housing Cutter
$24.95
quantity:


Park
Tool CCP-22C Crank Puller for Square Cranks
$12.78
quantity:


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Is a headset tool necessary, or could I just use an adjustable wrench? Probably not the best idea, but I have heard of "home mechanics" doing this to save a little scratch. From what I can see, I pretty much have everything I need to do conversions, overhauls, etc. Typically, I only work on vintage/older road bikes. The only thing else I would like to have would be a wheels truing stand, but that may come down the road.

Might want to get what you know you need and get the other odds and ends when you need them. That's alot to get in one haul, even though shipping will be better in a bigger buy and tools are heavy.

You will have a good start on a setup with all that though... I'm jealous!

Oh, maybe get the accessory collar/tray and handlebar holder...
http://www.parktool.com/products/det...=0&item=106-AC
http://www.parktool.com/products/det...at=24&item=106
http://www.parktool.com/products/det...=24&item=HBH-2

I have the Shimano TL-SR22 for a chainwhip, lockring tool. Nice and heavy duty.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=Shimano+TL-SR22

Hey Golfer, where are you at? I'll just come over and use your tools... heh

It is a lot, and it is a lot of money, but yes, I figures I may as well bite the bullet and do it all at once.

I can't help but look at this kit from Spin Doctor however: http://www.performancebike.com/bikes..._400005_400005

It's extremely reasonable but it lacks a BB spanner, BB wrench, headset tool, and I am sure a few more things. I think I should just get all Park to ensure a long life and no worries about breakage when I am torquing down on something.

The handle bar holder is a nice feature to have actually. I trim a lot of riser style bards as well, so a cutting guide would be awesome to have, but definitely not needed.

Yeah the multi wrenches and such may be a prob sometimes better individual wrench per size.

Check and see how this fits what you need.
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...00_20000_50004

I've used the handlebar holder from Park, I have one of them. I use it even off the stand to keep the bars straight. I have a front rack on the SST and it flops hard to the side when I lean the bike.

I'm gonna get a lil velcro strap to use when out on the bike to wrap around the front tire/frame to steady it better. Such as:
http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/p...agfromside.jpg

That kit lacks the same things I mentioned above, and have quite a few things in which I really have no need for. We have a lot of hex wrenches floating around my house, and I have the Park 3-prong hex and socket tools already. So, in light of that, I really don't think that kit is the one for me because I would still need those things it lacks.

I like my setup so far. You have to remember that thus far, for tools only, I am only invested about 150. The bulk of my price comes from the repair stand. Has anyone used the Park repair stand I am getting? I am sure it will overly suffice for my needs.

I picked up the Spin Doctor G3 from a reccomendation in another thread a while back... I liked how it used the tripod base I'm familiar with like drum/speaker stands. Spent some time in and around bands.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=571151

Some in that thread had used a Park stand... do what feels right. I have lots of other wrench sets from the past, so I haven't bought any cone wrenches yet.

From the Park Tool catalog:

Park Tool Limited Lifetime Warranty
Park Tool Company backs its tools with a limited lifetime warranty.
If a Park Tool product fails to perform its intended purpose, under
normal usage, due to defects in material or workmanship, the tool will be repaired
or replaced at our option. Tools that are worn from normal use, or damaged due to
accident, abuse, neglect, or modification are not covered by the warranty. When possible,
tools not covered under warranty will be repaired for a reasonable charge. This
warranty does not cover consequential damage or cost of injury incurred by the user.
Park Tool Pumps are warranted for one year from date of purchase. Tools for warranty
consideration should be returned to the point of purchase or to Park Tool Company.

However, those kits are nice because of the fact that they include many cone wrenches, tire levers, and spoke wrenches. They also include a BB tool for cartridge BB's.

Here is another one I had/have my eyes on. http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ls&ProdID=1284

There are major pros and cons here. But most of the things the qualify as Pros, I really do not need such as all of the hex/cone wrenches and the cassette lock ring tool....

What does everyone think? Stay with my selection, or get on of these kits and pick up the extra tools needed such as BB tool and spanner. I think price wise, it will be more cost effective to stay with my original selection for the fact that Park is quality.

I'm not a pro (even though I've been working on bikes off and on since the 70s, some of my tools are probably from the 50, and 60s, inherited from Dad bailing on us when I was 10 or 12)... but use your gut feeling, cuz it will stay with you way past this purchase.

Anyway Bikeisland is usually a good deal on heavy stuff with the no tax/shipping included. Treefort may up your shipping if heavy stuff is in the cart (not sure).

All orders on Treefort above 125 are shipped free, aside from the fact that the stand is 17 bucks to ship because it is so heavy. I honestly do not think that SpinDoctor, and/or any other cheaper brands would break under normal usage.

I bought that kit and I don't have any complaints (yet). It obviously lacks the tools you mentioned, but everything works. I managed to snap the 4mm Allen wrench, but FWIW it was on a very stuck brake pad on my road bike. The previous owner had everything tightened with all his might. The only other complaint I have is that the external bottom bracket tool didn't work on my FSA MegeExo bottom bracket. It does, however, work on my Truvativ bottom bracket. The internal bottom bracket tool works just fine.

I don't have any Park tools to compare the set to, but it has worked well for my needs and there's no tool that makes me rage when I use it. At the $40 pricepoint, you could just get it and replace if stuff breaks.

Buy some and get to work already! grin...