Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
Reload this Page >

Why are messenger bags so expensive?

Notices
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

Why are messenger bags so expensive?

Old 09-07-09, 12:34 PM
  #1  
northsjfixed
Member
Thread Starter
 
northsjfixed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 40

Bikes: Vintage French FG Conversion

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Why are messenger bags so expensive?

I mean they run at least $120 (for the small ones). What makes these "backpacks" so expensive? Even chrome fanny packs are $40.
northsjfixed is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 12:40 PM
  #2  
Fugazi Dave
Beausage is Beautiful
 
Fugazi Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Saitama, Japan
Posts: 5,503

Bikes: Nabiis Alchemy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts
A quality bag will stand up to insane amounts of abuse for a really, really long time. They're extraordinarily durable. They are also low-volume specialty products.
Fugazi Dave is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 12:41 PM
  #3  
hairnet
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13,198

Bikes: N+1

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 350 Post(s)
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
because they're hot hot hot
hairnet is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 12:44 PM
  #4  
ianjk
:)
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: duluth
Posts: 3,392

Bikes: '07 Pista, '09 Fantom Cross Uno, '8? Miyata, '67 Stingray, '0? Zoo mod trials, Tallbike, Chopper, '73 Schwinn Collegiate, '67 Triumph Chopper, '69 CB350, '58 BSA Spitfire, '73 CB450

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
You get what you pay for.

Same with everything else in the world.
ianjk is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 12:50 PM
  #5  
erichsia
thread derailleur
 
erichsia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: beyond Thunderdome
Posts: 1,095

Bikes: 82 Bianchi ECO Pista, Pake, Kilo TT, some *** bmx i found underneath an old house

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
huh, backtrack their veganoise? was gonna call you out.
erichsia is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 12:56 PM
  #6  
Xgecko
old legs
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 910
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
What Fugazi Dave said, my waxxed canvas T2 Bolo is 10 years and many 1000's of miles old. I have gone through a dozen backpacks in that time, a good messing bag will last through all sorts of abuse
Xgecko is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 01:11 PM
  #7  
bbattle
.
 
bbattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Rocket City, No'ala
Posts: 12,745

Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 5.2, 1985 Pinarello Trevisio, 1990 Gardin Shred, 2006 Bianchi San Jose

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 5 Posts
Hipster fashion is not for the faint of wallet.

Have you seen what white belts are going for these days?
bbattle is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 01:13 PM
  #8  
c0urt
moving target
 
c0urt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: birmingham, al
Posts: 2,892

Bikes: looks like a specialized crux now

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 26 Posts
umm, 1000d cordura cost $14.00-15.00 a yard, and affected by the cost of oil. takes 3-4 yards to make a bag. thats $60 right there, 2 inch webbing is cheap actually, about .50 cents a foot takes 6 feet. then 1/2 webbing is about the same price.

mil spec thread for the pockets and seams is about $5-6 a roll if there is more than one color. my last bag had. 4 rolls so we are at about $90 total

then velcro and buckles so we will say $100

that's assuming you own pins, needles, a decent machine, scissors, ruler, other odds and ends.
And have already decided on a design

plus time spent. a hand done custom flap can take 3-7+ hours

everything is cheaper if you buy it in bulk, but thats assuming you have the cash on hand to buy +500 yards

metal hardwear, nicer fabrics of course cost more waxed cotton and duck is hard to come by for cheap.

Last edited by c0urt; 09-07-09 at 01:22 PM.
c0urt is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 01:14 PM
  #9  
hairnet
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13,198

Bikes: N+1

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 350 Post(s)
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
Hipster fashion is not for the faint of wallet.

Have you seen what white belts are going for these days?

But you have to own a big white belt. No man is man without his big white belt to show off. It's always good to have several big white belts.
hairnet is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 01:30 PM
  #10  
bbattle
.
 
bbattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Rocket City, No'ala
Posts: 12,745

Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 5.2, 1985 Pinarello Trevisio, 1990 Gardin Shred, 2006 Bianchi San Jose

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 5 Posts








bbattle is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 02:02 PM
  #11  
beeftech
Senior Member
 
beeftech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Brooklyn finally.
Posts: 832

Bikes: Bianchi San Jose, fixed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
umm, 1000d cordura cost $14.00-15.00 a yard, and affected by the cost of oil. takes 3-4 yards to make a bag. thats $60 right there, 2 inch webbing is cheap actually, about .50 cents a foot takes 6 feet. then 1/2 webbing is about the same price.

mil spec thread for the pockets and seams is about $5-6 a roll if there is more than one color. my last bag had. 4 rolls so we are at about $90 total

then velcro and buckles so we will say $100

that's assuming you own pins, needles, a decent machine, scissors, ruler, other odds and ends.
And have already decided on a design

plus time spent. a hand done custom flap can take 3-7+ hours

everything is cheaper if you buy it in bulk, but thats assuming you have the cash on hand to buy +500 yards

metal hardwear, nicer fabrics of course cost more waxed cotton and duck is hard to come by for cheap.
This.
It's not like the companies are banking (until they can move production off shore, and their company becomes "hip")
But still, the mark up is nothing huge. Especially for the couple man operations.
beeftech is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 02:17 PM
  #12  
shredsled87
Senior Member
 
shredsled87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 78
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hipster Tax. And what c0urt said.
shredsled87 is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 02:46 PM
  #13  
adriano 
*
 
adriano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 6,876

Bikes: https://velospace.org/node/18951

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
pricing of cycling bags make me giggle.
__________________

α
adriano is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 03:16 PM
  #14  
oldfixguy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 741
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
LOL. I must disagree with the good natured cOurt. The cost of such raw materials plummets by 75+% (on a bad day) for anyone capable of purchasing in anything but personal levels of quantity. I, as a consumer never have and never will take into consideration the cost of manufacturing hardware such as industrial sewing machines. Why would I? The manufacturer certainly does not take me as the consumer into consideration once it's hardware costs are balanced by profit. Quality costs. Human beings cost. I will gladly and with a big smile on my face drop plenty on an item made in the USA by companies required by law to pay at least wages capable of feeding the individual making the wage. So, if your product is made in the USA, pony up or go home. People should make a wage capable of feeding them and companies should make reasonable profit margins. Reasonable is a pretty loose term. No one, not even couriers require messenger style bags to do their jobs. It might make life easier but it's not an absolute necessity compared to other, less fashionable means of portage. So, like some item? Pay for it. Easy. Can't afford an item? Improve your personal station in life through education and hard work and one day you will be able to purchase what you want. Simple. No excuses and no whining. Excuse me, I need to jump into my tailored mohair suit, strap on my Rolex, jump in a taxi and go to work so I can afford the custom fixed gear I'll be purchasing next month from the non-mass producing, custom US builder I've employed to produce such form of art. Take care all.
oldfixguy is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 03:24 PM
  #15  
stateskool
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 47
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It reminds me of what Dolly Parton once said, 'it takes lot of money to look this cheap'. I converted my old DJ bag into my 'mess' bag. Can carry two twelve packs of beer, if I stack them right, and its uber strong since it was meant to carry heavy azz vinyl.
There's usually a substitute if you are creative enough.
stateskool is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 03:51 PM
  #16  
adriano 
*
 
adriano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 6,876

Bikes: https://velospace.org/node/18951

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by oldfixguy View Post
LOL. I must disagree with the good natured cOurt. The cost of such raw materials plummets by 75+% (on a bad day) for anyone capable of purchasing in anything but personal levels of quantity. I, as a consumer never have and never will take into consideration the cost of manufacturing hardware such as industrial sewing machines. Why would I? The manufacturer certainly does not take me as the consumer into consideration once it's hardware costs are balanced by profit. Quality costs. Human beings cost. I will gladly and with a big smile on my face drop plenty on an item made in the USA by companies required by law to pay at least wages capable of feeding the individual making the wage. So, if your product is made in the USA, pony up or go home. People should make a wage capable of feeding them and companies should make reasonable profit margins. Reasonable is a pretty loose term. No one, not even couriers require messenger style bags to do their jobs. It might make life easier but it's not an absolute necessity compared to other, less fashionable means of portage. So, like some item? Pay for it. Easy. Can't afford an item? Improve your personal station in life through education and hard work and one day you will be able to purchase what you want. Simple. No excuses and no whining. Excuse me, I need to jump into my tailored mohair suit, strap on my Rolex, jump in a taxi and go to work so I can afford the custom fixed gear I'll be purchasing next month from the non-mass producing, custom US builder I've employed to produce such form of art. Take care all.
you make me laugh. saying those things just shows that you have no idea how hard it is for an upper middle class white male to improve his life with the entire system stacked against him. also, you and i both know how impossible life is without the ergonomic genius of messenger bags made by the recently unemployed.
__________________

α
adriano is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 04:02 PM
  #17  
qmsdc15
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 5,155

Bikes: rockhopper, delta V, cannondale H300, Marin Mill Valley

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Equipment designed for professional use tends to be overpriced. My Chome bag, my BikesAtWork trailer, my Kart-A-Bag handtruck cost more than they should. My bike cost more than a fixie. I could make do with cheaper alternatives, but don't want to make my job any harder than it is.
qmsdc15 is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 05:46 PM
  #18  
JonnyHK 
Senior Member
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,419

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 433 Post(s)
Liked 160 Times in 102 Posts
I can't comment on the costs of the materials, but generally I'd agree with c0urt.

The (good) bags are well made from high quality materials and are mostly fairly low volume production.

I've got a 12 year old Crumpler that is functionally perfect (just a bit grubby). If I divide the (then) very expensive purchase price by the years, then I think I've had a damn good deal.
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 06:16 PM
  #19  
kergin
Senior Member
 
kergin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kitchener, ON
Posts: 2,032

Bikes: 1994 Proctor Townsend Reynolds 753, TT S3 True North, Kona Major Jake, Kona Honky Tonk, Marinoni Puima, Cannondale BBU

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by oldfixguy View Post
lol. I must disagree with the good natured court. The cost of such raw materials plummets by 75+% (on a bad day) for anyone capable of purchasing in anything but personal levels of quantity. I, as a consumer never have and never will take into consideration the cost of manufacturing hardware such as industrial sewing machines. Why would i? The manufacturer certainly does not take me as the consumer into consideration once it's hardware costs are balanced by profit. Quality costs. Human beings cost. I will gladly and with a big smile on my face drop plenty on an item made in the usa by companies required by law to pay at least wages capable of feeding the individual making the wage. So, if your product is made in the usa, pony up or go home. People should make a wage capable of feeding them and companies should make reasonable profit margins. Reasonable is a pretty loose term. No one, not even couriers require messenger style bags to do their jobs. It might make life easier but it's not an absolute necessity compared to other, less fashionable means of portage. So, like some item? Pay for it. Easy. Can't afford an item? Improve your personal station in life through education and hard work and one day you will be able to purchase what you want. Simple. No excuses and no whining. Excuse me, i need to jump into my tailored mohair suit, strap on my rolex, jump in a taxi and go to work so i can afford the custom fixed gear i'll be purchasing next month from the non-mass producing, custom us builder i've employed to produce such form of art. Take care all.
wtf
kergin is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 06:39 PM
  #20  
bhamlax
Gay Israel
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Midtown Detroit
Posts: 77

Bikes: '83 Bianchi Nuovo Racing, '89 Bianchi Sport SX

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by oldfixguy View Post
LOL. I must disagree with the good natured cOurt. The cost of such raw materials plummets by 75+% (on a bad day) for anyone capable of purchasing in anything but personal levels of quantity. I, as a consumer never have and never will take into consideration the cost of manufacturing hardware such as industrial sewing machines. Why would I? The manufacturer certainly does not take me as the consumer into consideration once it's hardware costs are balanced by profit. Quality costs. Human beings cost. I will gladly and with a big smile on my face drop plenty on an item made in the USA by companies required by law to pay at least wages capable of feeding the individual making the wage. So, if your product is made in the USA, pony up or go home. People should make a wage capable of feeding them and companies should make reasonable profit margins. Reasonable is a pretty loose term. No one, not even couriers require messenger style bags to do their jobs. It might make life easier but it's not an absolute necessity compared to other, less fashionable means of portage. So, like some item? Pay for it. Easy. Can't afford an item? Improve your personal station in life through education and hard work and one day you will be able to purchase what you want. Simple. No excuses and no whining. Excuse me, I need to jump into my tailored mohair suit, strap on my Rolex, jump in a taxi and go to work so I can afford the custom fixed gear I'll be purchasing next month from the non-mass producing, custom US builder I've employed to produce such form of art. Take care all.
What did the english language do to you to merit such mistreatment?
bhamlax is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 07:22 PM
  #21  
qmsdc15
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 5,155

Bikes: rockhopper, delta V, cannondale H300, Marin Mill Valley

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
You guys who are getting ten plus years out of your bags must be taking a lot of days off.
qmsdc15 is offline  
Old 09-07-09, 09:37 PM
  #22  
blickblocks
.
 
blickblocks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,860
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well, higher volume companies like Chrome and Timbuk2 spend a lot more on advertising and are usually sold at retail, so they usually end up costing similar to something from a smaller studio like Seagull or R.E.Load (which are sold direct to customer). As such, I highly suggest supporting your local bagmaker.
__________________
https://blicksbags.com/
blickblocks is offline  
Old 09-08-09, 03:12 AM
  #23  
c0urt
moving target
 
c0urt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: birmingham, al
Posts: 2,892

Bikes: looks like a specialized crux now

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 26 Posts
what blick said



55 yards of cordura is 630 total, thats the minimum for a bulk order, usually takes it down to around $10-11 a yard. pray to god you only need one color. once you start buying cases, it gets cheaper. but a case is still 2 grand.


off brand cordura from off shore is cheaper, but it feels different
c0urt is offline  
Old 09-08-09, 03:34 AM
  #24  
oldfixguy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 741
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by adriano View Post
you make me laugh. saying those things just shows that you have no idea how hard it is for an upper middle class white male to improve his life with the entire system stacked against him. also, you and i both know how impossible life is without the ergonomic genius of messenger bags made by the recently unemployed.
Now, that made me smile. Good work.
oldfixguy is offline  
Old 09-08-09, 03:36 AM
  #25  
oldfixguy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 741
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bhamlax View Post
What did the english language do to you to merit such mistreatment?
Guilty as charged. It was early. Pre-coffee early. Good call.
oldfixguy is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.