EAI Bareknuckle Factory?
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Bikes: Panasonic NJS Keirin x2, Level Professional, Bianchi CUSS, GT Pulse
We all already know NJS levels out Keirin racing for gambling purposes, but to just sit there and deny the fact that there's more to an NJS frame than a stamp for gambling is ridiculous.
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njs sets a standard for strength but also standardizes frame material, weight, spoke count, and even geometry for safety but mainly for equality in racing. njs frames are certainly made with care and control to maintain this safety and equality, but the emphasis of certification is on preventing a racer from gaining an advantage in the highly lucrative league it regulates. an njs certification of a frame ensures that it will perform and was made just like any other njs frame, not that it performs or is made better or worse than any other frame.
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njs sets a standard for strength but also standardizes frame material, weight, spoke count, and even geometry for safety but mainly for equality in racing. njs frames are certainly made with care and control to maintain this safety and equality, but the emphasis of certification is on preventing a racer from gaining an advantage in the highly lucrative league it regulates. an njs certification of a frame ensures that it will perform and was made just like any other njs frame, not that it performs or is made better or worse than any other frame.
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NJS = standardized approved components, not NECESSARILY in quality
That means NO Toshi doubles, NO black 75's cranks
The Vivalo that was/had been NJS approved was not necessarily quality frames. Most racers considered them "disposable."
That means NO Toshi doubles, NO black 75's cranks
The Vivalo that was/had been NJS approved was not necessarily quality frames. Most racers considered them "disposable."
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Bikes: Presto NJS build, Specialized Allez Pro w/ full Dura Ace and Ksyrium SLs, 1990something Specialized Sirrus
NJS parts are of high quality and similar performance/weight/strength to one another. This really isn't very confusing.
I agree with what someone else said: if you are going to Italy, why buy a BK? Get an old track frame that is more unique/prestigious. You could probably find some old Bianchi, Ciocc, Pinarello, Coppi, etc frames there if you look. Just ask around.
I agree with what someone else said: if you are going to Italy, why buy a BK? Get an old track frame that is more unique/prestigious. You could probably find some old Bianchi, Ciocc, Pinarello, Coppi, etc frames there if you look. Just ask around.
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#41
I'm not "trying to make it in the bike industry". I'm a college professor.
And if I were "trying to make it in the bike industry", I probably wouldn't do it by making a profit of $20 on something that costs $1100 to the customer.

As for hating on the BK. I am definitely not. Its a great frame. Just not worth what it costs IMHO.
Last edited by deathhare; 11-02-09 at 04:45 PM.
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2. He's allowing for greater customization than YJ (doing things such as removing the P.O.S. logo which YJ said was impossible)
3. He's giving a damn about customers and triple checking measurements between the builder and buyer.





