You're getting good at this.

so alumnium's bad... yet most modern track racers use alumnium frames (felt, look, fuji, etc) on the velodrome. Yes, NJS stamps are to certify they comply with the safety and quality standards expected of Keirin racers and their bikes... but it is not a rating of performance.

Also, I don't think "Omnium" is a specific category stamp... it's just the name placed on it, which happens to be the same for the Giant frame. Omnium also refers to a certain track race that consists of multiple races or whatever.

But... yet if you prefer to go and buy all NJS parts because they make you faster, go right on ahead. I'll use the difference of buying a sugino crankset and $80-100 BB for a much cheaper yet equivalent (if not better) crankset.

You still don't get it...forged in the depths of Mount Fuji, blessed by Shinto priests, skilled craftsman whos knowledge has been passed down for hundreds of generations. We are talking about 2010 Samurai **** here, my friend read about this test they did and all the NJS parts were faster and indestructable...I'll see if I can find the link.

yea okay, now frame builders are samurais and shoguns.

If you knew what njs stands for, you'd know how serious their game is. NJS=　二十千. that means 20,000, or how many watts they're rated for.

omnium is obviously an inferior labeling, as they only have approved one frame and a crankset. can you get omnium approved headsets, bars, pedals, and toe cages? i'm serious about my toe cages.


look, i might not be a messenger (though that's like my dream, right after shredding through a rando all by myself), but i know i can feel the njs quality. when i'm mashing on my vivalo in traffic i can feel the superiority of these parts as I become one with the bike. without brakes I rely on this with my life. A samurai wouldn't go into battle with some crap sword, and I won't go into battle without a full njs build.

Just to fuel the fire and not a good source but
Wiki: A common misconception regarding certification is that it is a mark of quality, when in fact it is simply a mark of standardization; parts stamped with the NJS logo have become fashionable in recent years with some Western cyclists.

Yea great analogy. You can go all you want into being one with the bike, etc etc... but I'm pretty sure everyone feels that way since that's the pure essence of a fixed gear REGARDLESS of what parts you use. If you choose to depend your life on a crankset... go get a brake. Sure riding brakeless is so fashionable and so bad ass, but your cranks won't save you from someone t-boning you in their car.

Oh yea, and I'm pretty sure the "feeling" of "njs quality" that you're getting, is psychosomatic. For the money you pay, they better "feel" like "quality".

Once again, I'm pretty sure "Omnium" is not a label, but a sub branding that Giant and SRAM happen to both use. Feel free to correct me when you find some Japanese phrase or whatnot for it.

Oh and from Sheldon, himself:

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents...I'm new to this board but I'm not to riding both track and fixies. Been on them for well over 15 years and currently have 3 fixed builds in the fleet.

I'm about to build a replica scorcher and I'm very excited about my next crankset. A 1950, 6 1 1/2" Williams C1000 with an NOS 46 tooth. Geez if you guys think square tapers are out dated, I hate to think what you feel about cotters.

Whatever works my friends...steel is still real. Weight weenies aside!

I'm not knocking steel (I ride steel) or the capabilities of square taper. There is better technology out there, and square taper is old. SSP, DA, Sugino, Campy, etc all make great products and are still superior than 90% of the track offerings. Don't take my statements as I'm downplaying square taper cranksets... I'm just defending Omniums and the emergence of newer breakthroughs in the cycling world. I've ran 75's and outbearing cups are extremely stiff. If your's blew out or something happened, it's probably a defect.

Some people are awfully dense around here. Is this where people go to start internetting? Extra points if this goes past 2 pages.

sucker located!!!

Just trying to correct the misconception.

Take a look sometime at the finish on the inside of a SRAM Omnium and a Sugino 75 crank spider, and you'll see a marked difference. The SRAM is crude and unfinished, whereas the Sugino is totally smooth and even. Now, maybe this has no impact on the strength of the crank, but it does indicate to me a much higher level of finishing detail in the Sugino 75. I also know from personal experience that the Sugino 75 crank spider and the chainrings are perfectly round, which is a sign of very precise manufacturing. As to problems with Sugino 75's, I've never seen any, but there was a rider at the track that couldn't keep his SRAM Ominum cranks tight because of poor tolerancing in the left crank splines. It's worth noting that my 2006 Bianchi Pista Concept came equipped with Sugino 75 cranks and BB, but that the 2007 Concept came with SRAM Omniums and Bianchi lowered the price by $100. I'm sure glad I got mine when I did.

Sugino cranks cost just as much as the Omnium setup altogether. That could be a factor in the price difference. Sugino BB, chainring, and crankset up runs in the 300 range retail, compared to 200 retail for the whole Omnium set.

As for the track racer, he might want to check the ball bearings in the cups to check if there are any defects causing friction and loosening the arm. As far as I know, you and your colleague's experience are one of the few complaints compared to the many great things saida bout Omniums.

thats because the suginos are NJS stamped and the omniums aren't

all the proof i need for discussions at the coffee shop is here. messengers and velodrome riders alike know the true power of the NJS stamp

nevermind, I'm done talking to the rock.

dammit, almost trolled my way to a third page

You're good.

Thanks! i've actually come to my senses for a moment. i have quite a few road bikes with higher end stuff, but this is the bike i just need to work day in and day out. my crank is just fine (its a low end fsa), i've worn out the chainring, and am replacing the bb, but the crank will live on.

i am enjoying the conversation here though, someday i will build a proper fixed gear ride

hhahahaha. how long will it take you.

That was beautiful. Well played.

The joke's lost on you.

EDIT (after reading the rest of the thread): I guess I wasn't the only one to notice that. I feel like I'm beating a dead crankset.

This thread is gold.

NJS parts should be mandatory on all street bikes. It is benchmark for quality. Would you like to get into an accident if your ****ty flexy cranks suddenly fall off?! If it's good enough for PRO keirin riders, it's good enough for you.