You'd better put on rear brake...
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You'd better put on rear brake...
I was out casually riding the neighborhood, killing time before going to Saturday Ultimate pick-up and warming up my muscles. Some guy comes by at around my pretty slow pace and tells me, "You know you'd better put on a rear brake or you're going to die." This guy was in his 30s, wore a cycling cap, and jersey. I cannot recall if he had on cycling shorts, but his bike seemed pretty nice - not just a casual cyclist. (Just to give you an idea of his possible background). He said his comment with obvious distain and criticism.
I thanked him and let him get ahead of me, musing over the incident. I realize that I noticed the cycling cap because he was not wearing a helmet. Now, I wear a helmet by my choice and I won't ride without one. However, I try respect the choices of others to not wear helmets, and do not attempt to convert experienced cyclists who make this choice. Interesting that he would criticize me for not sporting a rear brake. He approached my bike slowly from the rear, so he would have noticed my single gear. I wonder if he knows what a fixed gear bicycle is...
I found this encounter interesting, thought I'd share.
I thanked him and let him get ahead of me, musing over the incident. I realize that I noticed the cycling cap because he was not wearing a helmet. Now, I wear a helmet by my choice and I won't ride without one. However, I try respect the choices of others to not wear helmets, and do not attempt to convert experienced cyclists who make this choice. Interesting that he would criticize me for not sporting a rear brake. He approached my bike slowly from the rear, so he would have noticed my single gear. I wonder if he knows what a fixed gear bicycle is...
I found this encounter interesting, thought I'd share.
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What is the term for having a witty retort, but only after it is too late to deliver it? I know there is such a word/phrase in both French and German, but English lacks such a idiom.
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Originally Posted by Smorgasbord
What is the term for having a witty retort, but only after it is too late to deliver it? I know there is such a word/phrase in both French and German, but English lacks such a idiom.
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Not being a fixie rider, I wouldn't know. But say I'm doing about 25 mph and all of a sudden I notice the car in front of me jams on its brakes and I brake hard as I swerve and notice that there's a line of pedestrians at the crosswalk and I'm in that gap with cars to the left and right of me. If I grab my front and rear brake hard and slide my ass back, would I stop faster if I have brakes or no brakes?
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You'd probably "stop" faster. But the fixie rider would have already sensed the braking car in front of him ahead of time and would've switched to another lane and already be blowing through a gap in the pedestrians in the crosswalk and across the intersection by the time you stopped.
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
You'd probably "stop" faster. But the fixie rider would have already sensed the braking car in front of him ahead of time and would've switched to another lane and already be blowing through a gap in the pedestrians in the crosswalk and across the intersection by the time you stopped.

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...or you don't get yourself in such a situation. don't ride that close behind a car if you're going 25mph, and watch for peds. there was something i learned in drivers' ed. about knowing your stopping distance and looking ahead something like 10 seconds. following distance is about 1 second per MPH.
of course, sometimes, situations like that are unavoidable. but if there are peds in the crosswalk, you should've seen them already and been slowing down, or aiming for a gap.
of course, sometimes, situations like that are unavoidable. but if there are peds in the crosswalk, you should've seen them already and been slowing down, or aiming for a gap.
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Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
...or you don't get yourself in such a situation. don't ride that close behind a car if you're going 25mph, and watch for peds. there was something i learned in drivers' ed. about knowing your stopping distance and looking ahead something like 10 seconds. following distance is about 1 second per MPH.
of course, sometimes, situations like that are unavoidable. but if there are peds in the crosswalk, you should've seen them already and been slowing down, or aiming for a gap.
of course, sometimes, situations like that are unavoidable. but if there are peds in the crosswalk, you should've seen them already and been slowing down, or aiming for a gap.
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I agree that two brakes will probably stop me faster than one. I try to take this into account with my riding - just as you might alter your riding style in rainy conditions. With only a front brake and on a fixed gear I can still stop very quickly, though. I did not mean that this man was wrong, merely that it was an interesting situation. Personally, I think riding fixed with only a front brake and a helmet is safer than riding geared with two brakes and no helmet. I made (and reaffirm) my riding choices based on this opinion. This man seems to think otherwise. I suppose I am wandering into the helmet safety debate somewhat, and I would like to avoid this thread re hashing this overdiscussed topic.
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Originally Posted by NYCpistarider
l'esprit d'escalier -- or staircase wit.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by slvoid
Not being a fixie rider, I wouldn't know. But say I'm doing about 25 mph and all of a sudden I notice the car in front of me jams on its brakes and I brake hard as I swerve and notice that there's a line of pedestrians at the crosswalk and I'm in that gap with cars to the left and right of me. If I grab my front and rear brake hard and slide my ass back, would I stop faster if I have brakes or no brakes?
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I was looking for something like this, thanks. Now comes the hard part. How to pronounce this french stuff?
(emphasis on the kal -- although I'm an anglo pig, so I may have screwed that up somewhat).
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Man, that guy would have hated to see my bike without even the front brake...
What I think is similairly funny, though is seeing people riding at night with no lights, but wearing a refelctive vest. They obviously want to be more visible and safe, but they don't have lights? I don't get it, and ride by wearing all black on a mostly black bike, but with my lights blinking.
What I think is similairly funny, though is seeing people riding at night with no lights, but wearing a refelctive vest. They obviously want to be more visible and safe, but they don't have lights? I don't get it, and ride by wearing all black on a mostly black bike, but with my lights blinking.
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Originally Posted by Smorgasbord
I agree that two brakes will probably stop me faster than one. I try to take this into account with my riding - just as you might alter your riding style in rainy conditions. With only a front brake and on a fixed gear I can still stop very quickly, though. I did not mean that this man was wrong, merely that it was an interesting situation. Personally, I think riding fixed with only a front brake and a helmet is safer than riding geared with two brakes and no helmet. I made (and reaffirm) my riding choices based on this opinion. This man seems to think otherwise. I suppose I am wandering into the helmet safety debate somewhat, and I would like to avoid this thread re hashing this overdiscussed topic.
On a freewheel bike, the rear brake is neccessary mainly as a backup to the front brake since a front brake failure would leave you with no brakes at all.
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
You'd probably "stop" faster. But the fixie rider would have already sensed the braking car in front of him ahead of time and would've switched to another lane and already be blowing through a gap in the pedestrians in the crosswalk and across the intersection by the time you stopped.

Originally Posted by slvoid
Oh that's right, the 6th sense. Hehehe I completely forgot, I should've known.
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Originally Posted by supcom
Unless you have poor brakes, the front brake is all you need for the shortest stopping distance. As you apply the front brake, your weight distribution moves forward. With enough front brake applied, the rear wheel will start to lift off the ground. The rear brake does not contribute to braking at that point.
On a freewheel bike, the rear brake is neccessary mainly as a backup to the front brake since a front brake failure would leave you with no brakes at all.
On a freewheel bike, the rear brake is neccessary mainly as a backup to the front brake since a front brake failure would leave you with no brakes at all.
Ah, yes. I must be riding my tandem too much.
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Originally Posted by progre-ss
You'd probably "stop" faster. But the fixie rider would have already sensed the braking car in front of him ahead of time and would've switched to another lane and already be blowing through a gap in the pedestrians in the crosswalk and across the intersection by the time you stopped.

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I wouldn't pay him much mind, just another mindless face on the trail attempting to mandar a todo el mundo. He probably is completely whipped by his wife at home and doesn't get to choose so much as the color of the panties he wears, f'em.
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Unsolicited advice is worth less than you pay for it. I've had a bunch on run-ins with people offering advice that I don't need (usually about sailboats, not bicycles) and it is almost always crap. I try to smile, wave, say "thanks", take a moment to consider their advice, and almost always (very much like you did) disregard it as crap.
As others have said, the front brake is the one that provides the bulk of your braking power, and the rear is mostly useful as a backup for front brake/wheel failure or for very slippery or bumpy terrain.
As others have said, the front brake is the one that provides the bulk of your braking power, and the rear is mostly useful as a backup for front brake/wheel failure or for very slippery or bumpy terrain.
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There is a general ignorance amoung cyclists as to the sheer variety of rear brakes, largely because of the predominace of a couple of kinds of brakes. Certainly a fixie is a very effective, if primitive, brake, and works well. The most effective rear brake, by far, I've ever had was a hub (drum) brake on the rear of an old beater/commuter. It would stop you fast, no matter what the conditions. Truly a phenomenal thing, and I would recommend it strongly to any newbie in traffic. Some cyclists would not recognize it as a brake, however, so accustomed are they to caliper and disc brakes.
I doubt the passing rider understood the mechanics of the fixed gear. Too used to a freewheel.
I doubt the passing rider understood the mechanics of the fixed gear. Too used to a freewheel.
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