Hi,

how can I find out the height of the bottom bracket for this frame?
the specs in the catalogs and on the web only every mention that it's higher than average to avoid pedal drag.
But what is average height? and how much higher is the Gazzetta?
They have all measurements listed, except for the height.

whats with everyone wanting this frame all of a sudden?

no idea, but normal track BB drop is 55mm, if its higher than normal than its probably 45mm. Just a guess though

for realz? this is a problem?

it took me, literally, one google search, and two clicks to find this information.

https://www.cinelli.it/scripts/pop_ge...Id=158&lang=EN

right there, in black and white, is the bb drop.

to find the bb height above ground, take the radius of a 700c wheel, plus tire, and subtract that drop from it.

if you want to determine an approximate max lean angle, measure the distance your pedals are from the centerline of the frame, measure the pedal height above ground at the lowest point in the pedal rotation, then do some geometry/trig.

it's certainly nice that you're "doing your homework", and want to know all the hard-core details about your build. however, if you do a little more homework (for example, the stuff that can easily be googled) before voicing your questions here, you'll get a lot more specific feedback.

WOW!
That was an angry answer, but thank you very much anyways.
that was really helpful.
I think I was just too lost with all the homework I had to do, that I didn't know where to start.

anyhow, before doing the geometry I just googled other track frames average seems to be around 68mm BB drop.
here's one example
https://surlybikes.com/frames/steamroller_frame/

compare that to the 58mm on the Gazzetta.
Gazzetta gives you an extra 10mm space for longer cranks.

Very nice.
My 167.5mm Sugino Cranks should work out for this frame then.

Thanks again!!

sorry, I didn't intend to sound like I wanted to bite your head off, and sorry if it did come off that way. (the geometry chart is pretty easily accessible though )

again though, you are clearly doing your homework, as your reference to the steamroller indicates, and you do definitely know what you're looking for, from your reference to other BB drops. so, in my eyes, you're absolved.

something to keep in mind though, although most fixed gear bikes are more or less advertised as "track" frames, not all such frames are created equal. The Gazzetta is more of a classic, steel track bike, while other bikes such as the steamroller have been designed from the ground-up to be a mix of road and track geo.

Yeah, cool. thanks for the heads-up.
I am trying to read up as much as I can when I have a few mins at work.
I had to order the frame from N.Y. (In tokyo they don't have my size). So until it arrives (3-4 days) I want to be sure I know my stuff.
Trying to make as little mistakes as possible buying parts, since this stuff is not exactly cheap.
Really appreciate all the help here!

Hi Guys,
thanks for all the advice. I just put my bike together yesterday!
really fun ride. Here are some pictures.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

that is super hip.

That's pretty. Makes mine look sorry even with my newly built wheel set.

what sort of wheel set did you get?

Umm. Nothing fancy. LBS had a used yellow Deep-V and a nice white front hub. So I laced it and paired with my white rear wheel. ... Only thing that is cool is it's fancy black DTSwiss spokes. I think I did it just because my lacing skillz was rusting up.

Anyways, your wheels are nicer looking. I was hoping to pwn you there, but you pwned me.

Mine are both Velocity b43's.
I really liked the white front rim, but I'd like to ride a brake at least on my front wheel.
I got a H+ matte silver with machined walls, so I can mount a decent brake in front.
I'll be putting up the b43 for sale. I'll try craigslist or something.
Is it generally ok, to re-lace a hub or rim?

Dude, that's a bummer man. I feel for you. My yella front wheel got all screechy and black stuff all over. ...



But I was going for a silly look. So I am OK; it would be super bummer for your white wheel. Yeah, I just found out about this just last few days. ... Sorry couldn't help.

Re-lacing shouldn't damage the parts used. A little scratch here and there. It should work fine. But if you are going to sell it, then you might as well sell the wheel as new. I would only re-lace wheels I know I am going to use. It's time consuming and take some patience to lace and true a wheel. I am no good so I have to true at least once after initial truing/lacing. Yeah only recommend it if you are really geeky about wheel-building.

I am re-using the hub I had on it.
Just wondering if the wheel will sell since it has been laced once before.
Oh, well. I'll put it up and we'll see.

As for the lacing, that's a bit too much work for me. I just bite the bullet and pay the 4000yen to get it laced.

I also have this cheap set of dia-compe levers. Really crappy and hard to pull.
I am thinking of replacing with something better. Maybe I'll make that a project for next month. It's been an expensive month ...