ThePritchett

adriano 

dsh

adriano is jealous cuz his shoes are ugly

dunno where you got that, my Rondels arrived DZR branded in DZR packaging.
They're a collaboration and have been from the start.

adriano 

my shoes are way better looking than yours.



upmarket collabos can inflate x price. the rondels are priced 50% higher than the dzrs.

dsh

False, the Rondels are about the same as the comparable non-collaboration DZR:




The price discrepancy only arises if you compare the Rondel to DZRs low end offering, which is comparing apples to oranges.

Do we need to have the construction materials talk again?

adriano 

thats comparing rondel lows to dzr mids, which, if youre going to look at manufacturing cost, use more of the same material and still cost less. dont forget that the entire soul, the sole, is exactly the same across all the models. comparing the materials of lows to lows, with the rondels you are getting an equally poorly fashionable and less suitable material for 50% more.

OUgreen

Does anyone know if the DRZs will work with this style of egg beater?

dsh

Your opinions about how fashionable the shoes are, or their suitability for riding, are unimportant.

The Rondel uppers are leather, so comparing them to a canvas shoe from the same line and being surprised that they cost more is foolish. Comparing them to a leather shoe from the same line and finding their prices similar is to be expected.

You know your argument has no rational basis, but you keep blabbing "no your shoes are ugly" in the hope that I'll get insulted or something. The Rondels are a great shoe, and worth the price difference over the canvas alternative if you think you'll appreciate the higher quality materials and better looks.

You can clip in, but it's tight and the rubber sole is pressed against the plastic pedal platform, so the friction between the two essentially means you get no float. I've got smartys on my Chesini and it's been fine for a couple 30 mile-ish rides, but if you feel uncomfortable without float it might not be a great choice. I wouldn't ride a century, but nobody is riding centuries in these shoes anyway.

adriano 

i agree that my or your opinion on the looks is unimportant, but you said that this is about looks, not function. its interesting that you purport the quality of something without regard to the functional implications. regarding price, i understand that the rondel materials cost more, and im not surprised that the rondel costs more. however, if i want a low cut spd shoe that looks like a normal shoe, the dzrs do it with the same design for 50% cheaper and with more ventilation.

OUgreen

Yeah, no need for me to go more than 15 or so one way on those.

Thanks!

dsh

Yeah if any of those Tigers, Nikes, or Adidas SPD shoes were available for purchase, this wouldn't be much of a discussion. They're all better looking than anything DZR makes, which is why they make up most of my non-cycling shoe collection.

But for some reason they don't make those. So we take what we can get.

adriano 

they cost $60 plus the shoes so many of those are cheaper than the rondels also.

i agree that my or your opinion on the looks is unimportant, but you said that this is about looks, not function. its interesting that you purport the quality of something without regard to the functional implications. regarding price, i understand that the rondel materials cost more, and im not surprised that the rondel costs more. however, if i want a low cut spd shoe that looks like a normal shoe, the dzrs do it with the same design for 50% cheaper and with more ventilation.

dsh

Do you realize you just reposted the bulk of your previous message? Was that on purpose?

adriano 

so you saw it? dont you want to talk about it? now even i feel shafted.

mrvile

This is so intense I love you guys.

dsh

Oh, ok.

I didn't say it was just about looks.
I said it was about materials as well as looks. You've already agreed that the use of more expensive manufacturing materials explains why the Rondels cost more than the canvas shoe.

As far as aesthetics, you're in the minority in thinking these are ugly compared to other production SPD shoes, so it's reasonable to think a consumer would buy them for looks. You've mentioned a couple of times that canvas is more appropriate for riding owing to its superior ventilation properties, but I think it is naive to pretend people buy these shoes simply as cycling equipment. A muted gray leather shoe is far more universally acceptable than one that looks like a Wal-Mart vans knock off. I would feel alright about wearing my Rondels to work; not as good as my normal 9-5 shoes, but good enough to not carry an extra pair with me when I commute. The same can't be said of the $85 option, which would surely draw disapproving stares.

It's a leather shoe. It's classier than a canvas shoe. Not as classy as most non-cycling leather shoes, but still, we take what we can get.

adriano 

Scrodzilla

dsh

I reject the notion that a tiger would ever hug a man.

adriano 

WickedOne513

So I got mine in today I did go with the first day riding, so far great not as hot as my Shimano's they actually look like real normal shoes. More than anything I really like that there is no rub / grind or clip like with my other shoes. The sole is stiff but still comfortable for all day wear.

dsh

THAT REMINDS ME!

adriano is wrong

cal_gundert05

Here're a few questions for those with this type of street/clipless combo shoe:

Do you adjust the laces when you transition from biking to walking?

In general, do you wear your street shoes snug/tight or loose?

Has this changes at all since you started riding?

adriano 

dont sweat it, man.

cc700

if the mission workshops have nylon, it's underneath the leather upper. it's 100% leather. i'm wearing them, go huff paint.

i don't know what you guys are arguing about, adriano, but ****ing shut up already.


sometimes i do. for longer or more serious rides.

i wear them loose. not heel-float-loose, but slip into them with some work loose.

when i started riding with them i tied them up tight all the time. but as i started wearing them looser, i realized they work almost as well loose... it's a shoe. it's not going anywhere.



fwiw i've ridden my rondels 60 miles before. they're great shoes if it's not too hot out and if it isn't raining really hard... or if you're going less than five miles at a time. they resist rain and stuff pretty well, for the first five miles.

also... those sambas and tigers on the last page look like massive hackjobs. i would not want to wear those.