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zigmin 11-02-10 02:24 PM

njs everything.....but frame. You can be the first.

Oramas 11-02-10 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by AngryScientist (Post 11720005)
OP - i dont think anyone is taking you seriously because you picked up a frame cheap and are asking about some pretty high end parts. pretty much any carbon fiber part you buy is going to cost at least twice as much as your frame at this point.

if you want serious replys, start by telling us the budget you would like to maintain, thats a good place to start from.

for your information, i was just in the market myslef, you'll be hard pressed to find a phil wood built wheelset for much under $500...

I know that i picked up the frame cheaply, and that most cyclists find the pista to be a "cheap" bike in general but I actually like the frame and was looking to buy some nice parts. My original thoughts were to put some black deep v wheels on either king or wood hubs. outside of that I haven't researched enough on the other components that it will take to get this finished. (thus my initial post) My budget (had figured around 1k-1,500) will depend on the parts as I have time to save up for the various things I will need but I had imagined spending around $500-700 on a wheelset, $100-175 on a crankset, $100-ish on saddle and post just for reference sake.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:30 PM

That example of what you do in florida should clearly sway you away from dumping a ton of money into a ****ty foundation.

Thats not to say a pista is a ****ty frame, its just some of the components you are asking about belong on a pista concept.

1k into components isnt that much if your paying retail plus tax. It would be pretty goofy to invest so much into that frameset. hell a guy on ebay has been selling full build kits from fuji track pros for 500 shipped.

100 on a nice fork
250 on wheels
50 on stem/bars
50 on seat/post
100 pedals chain cog tires

those very rough estimates bring you to 650. Dont just spend 1000 dollars because you have it since much of the high end stuff just wont be needed for what you use the bike for.

Oramas 11-02-10 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by zigmin (Post 11721091)
njs everything.....but frame. You can be the first.

i've always wanted to be first.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:33 PM

your a complete idiot if you drop 700 on a ****ing wheelset for a pista. come on now. get your self a damn deep v/formula combo for 175 new.

Oramas 11-02-10 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by gt35built (Post 11721126)
Thats not to say a pista is a ****ty frame, its just some of the components you are asking about belong on a pista concept.

those very rough estimates bring you to 650. Dont just spend 1000 dollars because you have it since much of the high end stuff just wont be needed for what you use the bike for.

perhaps my desire for a pista concept was overshadowed by the super cheap price on this pista frame, I couldn't resist buying it to build up. I just want to make this pista as nice as can be without going crazy.

Squirrelli 11-02-10 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by gt35built (Post 11720887)
^ speaking without experience^

Not that it matters to anyone in this thread, but here is the F/R weight in grams for a pair of formulas followed by a pair of high flange phils.

275/330
225/400

That's pretty heavy...

Road front hubs will be much lighter and cheaper than a front Phil.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:36 PM

If you really have $1500, and are really willing to spend it all on a bike, and your not just fantasizing , I'm going to tell you what you don't want to hear, but its for the better.


Originally Posted by Oramas (Post 11718849)
And no, I'm not going to sell this and get a "better" bike :notamused:


Oramas 11-02-10 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by gt35built (Post 11721142)
your a complete idiot if you drop 700 on a ****ing wheelset for a pista. come on now. get your self a damn deep v/formula combo for 175 new.

that price was based on deep v wheelset tied to Phill Wood hubs. I'd gladly pay less than $700 for that.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Vixtor (Post 11721155)
That's pretty heavy...

Road front hubs will be much lighter and cheaper than a front Phil.

I understand that, but I am comparing them to your average track hubs. Obviously a front road hub is going to be lighter than a high flange phil track.

This guy is looking for street cred. chrome pista+ phil wood or paul + high end everything component wise

I'm sure the last thing he is going to do is run a QR road hub to save 100 grams. And I dont see anything about "cheap" coming from this dude.

Oramas 11-02-10 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by gt35built (Post 11721161)
If you really have $1500, and are really willing to spend it all on a bike, and your not just fantasizing , I'm going to tell you what you don't want to hear, but its for the better.

i hear what you are saying, although i wasn't planning to spend $1500 at once, more like a part each week for a few months. It is more about building up a bike on my own than buying one off the shelf. I suppose that is the appeal to this particular frame.

Squirrelli 11-02-10 02:44 PM

Fork - Nashbar, Performance, BikeIsland carbon fork for ~$100
Stem - Velo Orange
Headset - Velo Orange
Seatpost - Nitto Jaguar, Thomson, Velo Orange
Wheelset - I'd build your own, pick your own hubs, spokes and rims and let some one lace it up for you.
Tires - GP 4000S, GP 4000, Michelin Pro3 Race, Vittoria Evo Corsa cx etc etc

The rest of the components are rather your own taste.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:52 PM

By the time your able to ride it you will have spent 1500 regardless. Go somewhere else with that type of money.

IMO, you can get that thing on the road with around 500 worth of parts. Built by yourself. Able to ride and enjoy much sooner than some one part a week bs

Squirrelli 11-02-10 02:55 PM

White Industry road front hub + White Industry rear track hub would suit your budget quite nicely.

You should just spend your money on bags, like trucks-full of them.

gt35built 11-02-10 02:55 PM

fyi 1500- 699 for a fuji track pro complete from city grounds= 800. still way more than you will need to invest.

rethink your options, please.

renton20 11-02-10 03:03 PM

Do it dude. **** em. I've got some pedals that would go great with that bike. Mms custom Nuevo with toshis and ale clips. ****** as **** but I'm using clipless now. Do campy pista cranks, king threaded headset with a vintage Italian track fork, you need phil high flange track hubs laced to CD(blacked out) open pro rims. eBay a NOS original turbo and a vintage fluted campy seatpost. Eai cog with Izumi chain. Cinelli or 3T stem with deda track drops.

Squirrelli 11-02-10 03:06 PM

^ EAI Superstar cog right?

renton20 11-02-10 03:16 PM

Exactly. Anything else would be a waste. You can't trust stuff that's not njs

ichitz 11-02-10 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by gt35built (Post 11720887)
^ speaking without experience^

Not that it matters to anyone in this thread, but here is the F/R weight in grams for a pair of formulas followed by a pair of high flange phils.

275/330
225/400

ha!
i believe formula rear hubs weigh in at 270g. U can get a road american classic front for 58g
58/270 (328 total) as compared to
225/400 (625) total phils

thanks for sharing ur experience

don't get me wrong. Phils are great hubs. I'm merely stating the fact that they are on the heavier end and if the OP cares about weigh like he said he does, it's prob not the best solution for him.

Oramas 11-02-10 03:50 PM

ok, thanks for all the comments (smart A** & otherwise) and I hate to admit it (buy a diff bike) but I think will just buy a Super Pista and put some Deep V's on it. I was trying to avoid spending a large chunk of change all at once but I suppose it IS the better option. FYI this winter build project was going to be my ride only, non-locked bike as I have a Bianchi I ride around on and lock up when needed. I guess I just got hooked on a cheap price on a Bianchi and thought "I should build this up".

gruppo 11-02-10 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Oramas (Post 11719954)
what is the difference / benefit between Phil Wood & Kris King hubs?

The difference and potential benefit is the more traditional Phil rear hub is made to accept SS freewheels or track cogs; and the King hub has a narrow cassette, spacers, and a lockring - this allows you to dial in the chain line. And the cassette, if you're so inclined, allows you to run a 1x2 or 1x3 (Though that might require some quick links if you don't have long dropouts). Either way, don't worry about the weight because it's in the center of the wheel and won't affect performance (In fact the superior bearings likely offset the small extra weight). Again, good luck.

xavier853 11-02-10 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Oramas (Post 11721647)
ok, thanks for all the comments (smart A** & otherwise) and I hate to admit it (buy a diff bike) but I think will just buy a Super Pista and put some Deep V's on it. I was trying to avoid spending a large chunk of change all at once but I suppose it IS the better option. FYI this winter build project was going to be my ride only, non-locked bike as I have a Bianchi I ride around on and lock up when needed. I guess I just got hooked on a cheap price on a Bianchi and thought "I should build this up".

or you could build up the bike by going to the lbs/bike co-op and finding cheaper parts.

Ignore all these infidels!!!!!! Build her up and ride the winter out!


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