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formulaben 10-08-04 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by shecky
IIRC, Sheldon Brown's hack wasn't actually tested. I think i'd prefer doing the Bendix two speed fixed conversion.

Funny, I just wrote him and asked about those plans. He said that it has been done successfully. It will be a spring project for me.

icithecat 10-09-04 04:26 PM

Regarding the mechanical friction losses. Yes there must be some. I mated a sturmey archer aw to a mavic ma2 on the back of my old early 80s kuwahara. I could not believe the feeling of increased smoothness and efficiency compared to the shimano 600 derailers that I removed. The hub weighs about two pounds but is a wash with the removal of all the other crap. I ride mostly in the middle gear which is the 1:1 giving me 42/18 gearing using a 1/8th chain from the raleigh.
I love scrounging and playing with things mechanical.

jimv 10-09-04 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thylacine
Bostontrevor Wrote -

A lot of early safety bikes had multiple cogs on the back that you shifted when you got to a hill by stopping, losening the back wheel, putting into an easier ratio, then off you went, up the alps. I understand this was a common thing in some of the early races like the Tour De France etc, before the advent of the derailleur. I don't think there was any 'cult' or 'timetrial' aspects about it.

Campy made this scary thing ca 1940.....The axle nut was loosened with one handle and the chain was forced to the other cog using the second handle .... All while riding!!!! From campyonly.com:


The sliding hub, dual rod operated, back pedal derailleur is patented on May 4th and introduced in August. The pieces of the derailleur are all handmade requiring a massive investment of time and labor.


Jim

goatmeal 10-09-04 07:41 PM

I think it is because he converted a cassette hub to ss usage, the furthest cog actually works as a lock ring so the spacers and cog stay put.


Originally Posted by HereNT
There's a guy on our saturday rides that has two cogs on one side of his hub. Don't know the rhyme or the reason to it. I'll ask him this weekend.


bostontrevor 10-09-04 07:41 PM

Awesome! I love the old skool Campy QR (indeed Campagnolo invented QR--myth has it that he realized it after his nuts were frozen(!) crossing the Alps and couldn't switch to his other gear), too.

But for the record, those weren't my words.

jimv 10-09-04 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by bostontrevor
Agreed on all points. I was simply saying that to me it seems like missing the point.

But I'm intrigued. The ASC does apparently have a direct drive gear. I assumed that was simply a 1:1 ratio but that there would still be some sort of drag associated with the planetary gearing. I mean, I guess the hub body woud rotate at the same rate as the drive sprocket, so everything would be relatively stationary.

I dunno, I guess I don't understand enough about internally geared hubs (though I can operate one!;) )

If you can find an old 3-speed hub cheap, it's fun to take apart. They use a clever trick to provide 3-speeds with a single planetary set.... the 5-speed has only 2 and the 7-speed has 3. They use a secondary clutch and it can be a head scratcher until you play with it for awhile. BTW, both S-A and SRAM use the same trick and are pretty much the same inside so if you learn one, the other is easy beans.

Jim

bostontrevor 10-09-04 08:58 PM

Maybe I'll do that. One of LBS's I frequent has an old skooly SA cutaway AW, but in the 15 minutes I spent dorking around with it, I didn't get it. I have an old Raleigh Sports (sans front wheel) and was going to build some sort of winter frankenbike around the rear, but the budget's tight at the moment. Maybe I should fiddle with it instead.

crustedfish 10-09-04 10:50 PM

lamo.

OneTinSloth 10-10-04 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ya Tu Sabes
Seems to me that if you picked your two front rings right, you could have the dual fixed cog in the back and have the same chain length, thus obviating the need to loosen the rear wheel at all (like, maybe, 42x17 and 44x15). If the chainline weren't too bad (as many have mentioned), this would be a nice way to have a very multi-purpose, multi-terrain fixie.

you'd still have to loosen up the rear wheel to get the chain off one cog and onto the other. unless you had a ridiculously slack chain.

habitus 10-10-04 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by crustedfish
lamo.

samo?

ephemeralskin 10-11-04 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by Thylacine
One gear centainly isn't time efficient, converting an old track frame made from 531 or Oria or some other old crap steel sure ain't light, and as for 'simple and comprehensible'.....

531 is 'old crap steel'********** come here so my bike can ***** slap you you ****!
:eek:

Ya Tu Sabes 10-12-04 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
you'd still have to loosen up the rear wheel to get the chain off one cog and onto the other. unless you had a ridiculously slack chain.


I dunno - I think you could pull it off with a minimum of slack. Imagine if you had 43 x 15 and 42 x 16. When it was on 42 x 16, you would push the chain, while turning the crank, onto the 15-tooth cog, thus creating more slack, which you would then take up by pushing it onto the larger front ring. I think that so long as you did it in the right order, you could accomplish this within the normal amount of slack you want to keep your chain from binding up.

Of course, I have neither the resources nor the inclination to try this, since one speed is fine with me...

Tom Pedale 10-12-04 11:50 AM

This is not a new idea, it's been done before many years ago for track riders using the same bike for different events....

Tom Pedale 10-12-04 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by bostontrevor
For the zenness, it seems like a cheat to shift.

What's so Zen about a fixed gear? The sound of one gear shifting??

Michel Gagnon 10-12-04 08:56 PM

[To shift from one cog to another]

Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
you'd still have to loosen up the rear wheel to get the chain off one cog and onto the other.


Yes, but it is easier and cleaner to do it that way than to remove the wheel and flip it around.

redfooj 10-12-04 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by phamby
what's the point......who needs more than one gear anyways **********

people outside of kansas?

caoimhin 04-07-05 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
What's so Zen about a fixed gear? The sound of one gear shifting??

Now that is zen :eek: It should be in the top snippets of this forum whether he meant to be sage or not.

travsi 04-07-05 07:20 AM

interesting idea, but why? as mentioned before a fixed gear hub with gears already exists. its just another gimick…


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