I'm looking to upgrade the stock wheelset on my naranja to something with better hubs, deeper section rims, fixed/fixed flip flop hub for quick gearing changes and machined front rim only. Intially I was thinking of getting Velocity Deep V's laced to Formula with cartridge sealed bearings, but now I'm wondering if Weinmann DP18's are just as good at a $65 savings from Velomine. I know that the Velocitys are 30mm deep sections, but have not been able to find the depth of the DP18s. Also, I don't know how well the DP18s will take a 32mm width tire (Fyxation Session 28, but more like a 32mm actual). Finally, I don't know if there's a significant difference in quality that would justify the price difference. The attached photos are for reference only, although I'm leaning towards the all-black configuration. Any answers / opinions / experiences are appreciated.

Weinnmans' are heavy...over 700gms I have heard. I have a wheelset with Weinnmans and although I have never weighed the rims separately, the wheels are very heavy (well over 2000 gms), surprising given the the hubs on this wheelset are very light, the spoke count is low (24/28), and the spokes are butted. My only explanation is that the Weinnmans are indeed extremely heavy.

Deep Vs aren't exactly featherweight, but much lighter than Weinnmans.

Are you considering the possibility of a custum build..because if you are there are much much better choices out there. If so, you might look into Kinlin rims..I've had nothing but good experiences with those. I'm not sure if they are available unmachined, but its worth a try. If unmachined Kinlins are unavailable, you might consider a Deep V in the rear, and a machined Kinlin XR300 up front...that will shave a lot of grams of the front wheel, and the wheels will still look identical. The nicest FG wheelset I have ever built is a pair of Kinlin XR300s, with Sapim CX Ray spokes (24/28), formula track rear hub, and a featherweight formula front road hub. Total cost was around $300 and the weight was a bit over 1500 gms, including the tracknuts and front skewer. You could, of course, shave a lot of money off that price by using a cheaper rounded butted spoke such as a wheelsmith XE15 without any additional weight.

DP18s are 30mm depth as well, and besides the constant tube being squeezed near the valvehole problem DP18's should be fine - I do not own these so I dont know how these will take 32's - I'll let someone else chime in.

Wow, that is heavy! The Velocity Deep V is 530gm, which is still pretty heavy, but if what you said is correct, then the DP18s would add over 12 oz of rotating weight, which is significant. No, I was not considering a custom build on these, just was going to buy them built from Velomine to keep the cost low.

Don't you mean which ones come in orange?

Which in case, they both do.
Anyways, I've never owned a set; but I do know for sure your fyxation 28c tires will fit as I've seen kids with them on/ get them mounted on DP 18's when I hung out at area cycles (more of a tarck shop) considering the skate park is right behind it.

my friend at my LBS said that they're almost the exact same cross-section as deep v's. Im riding the dp18s right now and they're great for the price, they are pretty heavy though :/

I don't see how a mass produced (machine built) formula/deep-v or weinmann wheelset with straight guage spokes is really an "upgrade". Seems to be the best thing way to "upgrade" to better wheels without spending tons of money is to have something built with butted spokes. All the cheap wheels at Velomine are built with straight guage spoke and with hubs and rims that aren't really any better than what you are riding on now.

Formula hubs are fine....higher end hubs aren't really going to make any difference. As far as rims are concerned, if you want an upgrade, I would focus on finding a rim with a good balance between depth and weight. DeepVs and Weinnmans are strong, but they weight more than needed. Once you have a decent hub and rim, the spokes are really where you can improve the wheel. Pick a spoke count that is appropriate for your size, your rim, and your riding style and make sure they are tensioned properly. Good butted spokes are lighter, more durable, and will hold the wheel in true longer. The spokes are really what turn a good wheelset into a a great wheelset.

Yes, that is what I have heard. I know they are heavier than deep-vs by a substantial margin, but like I said earlier, I really don't know what they weigh.

Edit: I have not been able to find the weight for the Weinmans yet, but several sources (including data on the weight weenies site) suggest that Deep Vs are much heavier than claimed.

Here is someone else claiming Weinmanns to be around 700gms.

Fromt this thread...https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Weinmann-Dp18

Kinlin XR-300's are around 465 grms. I built a set using a Novatec track rear and a novatec superlight front road hub and used Cn Mac bladed spokes 32 rear 28 front. Weight without skewer, tracknuts was 1580 grms for a total price of 200 euros. Incredibly stiff and aero wheelset.

i dont think dp 18 are that heavy, at a bike shop recently they had deep vs and dp 18s and they were very close, my masi has the dp 18s and the are alot lighter than my friends b 43s

my standard response:
get cxp22s or cxp33s. Mavic makes a nicer rim.
Heck, you send me shipping money, I will send you a black rear 32 hole formula for free.

When fixies were the thing to have 2.5 years ago here in town, everybody got the dp18's. Other than the fact they are heavy, never heard anything bad about them. I knew 250lb people who rode them very hard, tricking them, jumping 4 stairs on them, fail bunny-hops that slammed the rear wheel on the edge of a curb hard enough to pop the tube instantly without denting the rim. They are super tough, but yes, heavy.
I don't think any higher of a deep v though. I have heard plenty from wheel builders I respect to make me believe velocity rims are no better. Maybe they are 50g lighter, but they are notoriously off with their listed weights and have had terrible quality control lately, with a lot of issues getting rims that aren't very true (i don't mean the wheel isn't true, the rim by itself isn't straight).

Like said above, if you want good rims, go with kinlin. They make very light rims with a high standard. i've heard nothing but good reviews

sweet brag

fify

Finally found a claimed weight for the Weinmamm DP18.

Heres the breakdown for popular 30mm rims:
Weinmann DP18...687 gms (claimed), source: https://www.weinmanntek.com/
Velocity Deep V...520 gms (claimed), source: https://www.velocityusa.com (weightweenies consistenly reports 50-60 grams more than claimed)
Kinlin XR-300 (aka IRD Cadence Aero)...455 (claimed), source https://fairwheelbikes.com/kinlin-xr3...im-p-1216.html (weightweenies reports similar weights)

Given the tendency for companies to underestimate weight, I suspect the Weinmanns probably weigh more than claimed. I would not be surprised if they were 700+ gms. Deep V claimed weights also appear to be off. Kinlins on the other hand weigh just about the same as claimed according to weight weenies. This is consistent with my own experience with Kinlins. I've measured 4 Kinlin xr-300s and they were all within 10gms claimed weight.

Comparing the lightest to the heaviest 30 mm rim, Weinmanns are 200-250 gms heavier per rim. That is about 1 pound per wheelset. Choosing Kinlin XR-300s is a no-brainer, especially considering they are not very expensive.

Its worth noting that Kinlin makes a 38mm deep rim that is 550 gms...8mm taller and still lighter than actual Deep V weights and lighter than Weinmann DP18s by 100+gms. This rim however is pretty expensive...https://fairwheelbikes.com/kinlin-xr3...im-p-3453.html

I've literally lost freinds over this arguement.

+1 for cxp33

I think a few of us should take a minute to go back and read TT's original post.

Especially the last sentence.

I have those 3 rims sitting around.
XR-300 is always UNDER 455g
deep-V is around 580g
DP18 broke my scale.

construction quality, XR-300, hands down best.
DP18, surprisingly round and true. slight burrs here and there.
deep-V, slight burrs here and there, slight hop or dip at the joint. nothing terribly wrong, but worth noting.

Inner width and related function of tire stability while loaded laterally, deep-V is the best, followed by XR-300 and DP18.
XR-300 has 14mm inner, 20mm outer
deep-V has 15mm inner, 21mm outer
dp18 has 13mm inner, 18mm outer

Strength wise, deep-V should be the best, but at 30mm depth, all rims are fairly strong. It's worth noting that deep-V has an extra thick wall at the spoke eyelets, which require 16mm nipples, compared to the other two, which use the standard size 12mm nipple.

All things considered, XR-300 is the best deal. deep-V is not worth the price premium unless you get one in something other than black. DP18 is fine, as long as you don't intend to use tires fatter than 28mm on it, because the inner width is too narrow.

and I think we all know the HED ardennes rip off velocity A23 claim to fame is the outer width being 23mm, giving the tire a more stable platform to mount to.

PS. sun CR-18 has 22.5mm outer width and 18mm inner width, but manufacturer claims rate this rim at 28mm tires being the narrowest you should use. Not that it's stopped people from using 23mm tire on it without pinch flatting.

The CXP 33 is a good rim...I've built and ridden several wheelsets with these rims. However, Mavic is focused more and more on selling complete wheels. I would not be surprised if they eventually phase their rims out. Rims such as the Open Pro and CXP 33 are classics, but have been surpassed by other rims that better and cheaper.

I don't get it. It's bragging to say fixies were really popular 2.5 years ago and everyone bought the dp18s. I was stating a fact that had nothing to do with me

>I really liked the video game Mario Brothers for the NES
>>STOP BRAGGING PAN!