i am new here but have been doing some reading, which has been helpful, but i dont think my exact question has been answered anywhere.

i myself am not new to riding single speeds or fixies or bikes for that matter. But my sister on the other hand is. For christmas i am going to get a her a fixed/ss and havent quite found the right one. my budget is about 300 and heres what ive looked at so far

windsor clockwork
windsor hour
motobecane track
and giants ss/fixed

i am really stumped. i know it needs brakes but if it doesnt come with some i can add some pretty easily. i want it to have a nice ish tough light wheelset (as nice as you can get on a factory complete). what do you guys think she needs it in the 48 50cm ish size

From those choices I'd get the Windsor Hour...

-get ready for typical Kilo TT response-

but if I were you I'd spend the extra $60 on the Mercier Kilo TT from Bikesdirect. It's a whole load better.

thanks for the response

i was under the impression that the clockwork is nicer than the hour, whats the difference?
also whats the difference between those and the kilo tt
i mean a nicer bike is a nicer bike but she has no riding experience at all so i want to make sure what makes it nicer will even have an effect on her

just noticed the tt has a 1in headset that sounds like a terrible idea in my opinion why stray from the o so common 1 and 1/8th

I'd get the Clockwork soley because they have better hubs than the other bikes you listed.

1" threadless is not all that terrible, it's kind of inconvenient, just like their 26.8mm seatpost diameter. Of course, all of that could be solved; you could just use a shim with any 1 1/8" stem and there are companies that make good quality seatpost.

Oh really? Well, in that case go ahead.

Best cheaper bikes in my opinion windsor hour, kilo tt, scwhinn madison, surly steamroller, and fuji track.

thanks you were completely worthless to this thread

still no one has answered why a kilo is so much better, everyone just says they are give me some proof, are their parts better?

I think people just like the Kilo frame and cranks, you always read about people replacing everything else. The Clockwork seems pretty nice, it has good hubs, a normal seat tube diameter, and brakes. It should be good to go with a shop's assembly, wheel tune up, better gear ratio and saddle.

OP - if you're "not new to riding single speeds or fixies", shouldn't you already know the answers to your questions?

Dude, it's family...Pista Concept.

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im not new to riding a single speed but i havent had experience with all of these bikes

Why don't you go look for the evident yourself.

There's a reason why the Kilo TT thread is one of the most viewed and replied threads.

You're missing the point.

then what is the point? im buying it off of the internet so i cant go and look at these bikes in person and the only cheaper ish bikes that are carried around me are se

The Kilo TT has a very strong component spec for the extra $60.

The full specs for all the bikes listed are readily available. Compare them and see. They're all in the same price/quality range so you're not getting any huge up or downs no matter which you pick. People like the Kilo because it has "track geo". Pick the one you like best.

If it were me, I'd pick the Clockwork.

My point is that if you've been around the block (like you say you have), you should at least know the difference between most of the components listed in the BD specs.

But because you want us to pick a bike for you, my vote - from the choices you've listed - is Clockwork.

i still dont think that is a valid or very good point, and i had to wade through a bunch of your posts until you finally gave me your opinion wouldnt it have been easier to say my vote is for the clockwork?

I think it's a perfectly valid point. You naturally don't agree because I'm right.

Most sincere apologies for making you "wade through" two whole posts.

And of course you would want to get it in orange.


Tom

The frames of the three you listed are comparable in quality, if not exactly the same. I would get the Clockwork because, like others have stated, it has better hubs.

The Kilo has a better tube set and a better crank set, but has a more aggressive geometry than the three bikes you listed.

Words of advice:
Search before you ask (this question has been asked and answered many, many times before). Cut the attitude and get used to not getting the answers you're looking for. This is an internet forum. Da der.