hey, are there any custom framebuilders that can replicate a ciocc enemy? i've been wanting one of these, but they're impossible to find out in the wild, and its pretty much my dream frameset (that and a colnago).

if they cant, well, whatever. i think im gonna get a custom frame at one point or another, any good ones that aren't too expensive? the panasonic custom order thing sounds decent but i'd rather be fitted perfectly if im gonna drop so much on a frame.

Post in framebuilding section?

i was hoping some ssfg members would share some experience with framebuilders that built their fg/track frames before i went to the framebuilding section, but thanks for the suggestion. ill try that if i dont get much feedback here.

yes.

Unless you know a lot about frame geometry and how it relates to you and your style of riding, a custom frame has little meaning.

Get a stock-sized frame from a good builder, the right size for you, and put your money into a proper fitting after the fact.

Find a bike fitter with real credentials, usuallly a prostheticist or orthotist who fits pro riders, and spend your money there.

If you still want a custom-geometry frame, I recommend Warren Rice of Realm Cycles in Sisters, Oregon.

https://www.realmcycles.com/

thank you for your long, detailed answer.

from the looks of it hes a mtb only shop; but is there anywhere that will make me a replica?

I recently purchased a used TET (Tom Teesdale) track frame. I have yet to ride it, but it feels very solid and lightweight in my hands and the welds are very clean. I looked at his website at the new prices, and his prices seem fairly reasonable for a custom.

sent you a pm

didnt recieve.

Warren displays mountain bikes on his site because he lives in the heart of mountain bike country.

Warren can make you an exact replica of the bike you want.

He made the custom geometry street fixed-gear bike of my dreams, for me, and I have seen him replicate at least one road bike that I would describe as having an accurate vintage appearance.

Thats because I type too slow! Should be there now.

I got to disagree with you. All the OP needs is to hook up with a framebuilder who knows how to size a rider. The OP doesn't need to know glitch about geometry that's what the framebuilder is for. The OP just need to communicate his riding style to the builder. About Realmcycles: I wouldn't want to spend a grand on a builder who has only been doing it for three years. There isn't even a photo in his gallery with a track bike.

I recommend Circle A Cycles in Prov, RI. Chris one of the owners has been fabricating frames for at least 10 years: https://www.circleacycles.com/bicycles_gallery.php They paint their own frames too which is unusual with builders. You'll notice that his singlespeed/fixie photos take up the majority of the gallery.

if i could have any custom frame it would be a geekhouse probably

Geekhouse. Ciocc enemy is a really agg frame.

Some old man has a ciocc frame but its a roadie. see him at the shop

You didn't read what I wrote.

Getting a bike built locally if possible, is usually better than sending a bunch of emails and measurements back and forth. I have seen really inconsistant work on Circle A bikes, and seen really great work out of Six-Eleven who hasnt been around too long. Getting a truely custom built bike is about a relationship between the builder and the rider, and none of that has to with how long some one has build selling their frames, and how nice their website is, or if their website displays the current trend of bikes.

I agree with Kayce. Do you know of any custom frame builders in Texas?

Expensive - yes
Worth Every penny - yes

That is ****ing beautiful. Is that yours?

https://texascustombicycleshow.rideda...exhibitors.htm

NAHBS is going to be in Austin at the end of February, its a great chance to meet builders and see their work.

where is Stanridge??

I wish that Sachs was mine, the man makes near damn perfect bikes. I rode one a year back (regular road, not fixed), and I couldn't believe how smooth it was and how fast I accelerated.

sachs has such a long waiting list. plus, he only sells to his returning customers.

Columbus OH