I've got a panasonic built up with good parts. All dura ace/phil wood/nitto. Open pros to formula. Still, my bike is heavier than most of my friends', significantly. A friend of mine rides a panasonic and her's is heavy as well. why? maybe cos they're the panasonic order system frames?

get stronger like keirin racer

honestly i dont know about these frames, Im assuming you are talking about the current panasonics. I can only imagine its either because they are ment to hold op to a crash and stuff and lighter tubes wont do that as well. Carlton you want to chime in on the standardized nature of keirin?

don't get me wrong, i'm not criticizing but none of your part choices are particularly light either

steel is real.

your friends probably all have aluminum bikes.

honestly i wouldn't stress too much over weight. For me, i'd take good components over weight any day...

Mine doesn't feel very heavy and its a 62cm. Its not the lightest bike but its definitely not heavy. The pos doesnt use the highest quality/lightest tubing options for obvious reasons. There are 8 or so tubing options depending on which studio you goto and the tubing + size will dictate the weight along which part choices.

Weight isn't as much of a factor on the track overall stiffness plays more of a role than weight. A steel frame, with steel Nitto bars is going to have some weight to it no way around that.

Also/ Panasonic has 2 order systems. The POS (Panasonic Order System) and the PROS (Pro-Rider Order System) The latter = full custom.

More squats and HTFU.

deadlifts are better.

You should be doing them together!

None of your parts stand out as being super light. Maybe your friends bikes have different parts. Did you actually put them on a scale or are you just guessing? Without specifics it's impossible to say why your bike is heavier..

fa sho.

+1

I've never heard of the Panasonic PROS (Pro-Rider Order System). Can you give me any more information?

Its basically like any other studio's options. Base price is around 1,500usd. all tubing options, chrome, any angles you want, paint you want, seat stay style etc.. aka full custom.

Did you consider weighing the frame to see if Panasonic is really to blame?
More importantly, does it matter?

My old Paramount P14 steel lugged track bike weighs only 16.8 lbs, and the frame and fork are not particularly light. The weight savings is in the box section tubular wheels and lightweight track racing tubular tires. The frame represents at most 1/3 of the total bike weight.

It's steel of course it's gonna be heavy

What size is it? And how much does it weight? Frameset vs complete bike?
Dont sell her just yet!!

Are you using a scale to compare your bike to others or just picking them up by hand? If the difference is huge and you ordered the frame with an expected and promised weight as advertised and you got something else then that is an issue. You might have gotten a different kind of tubing than what you paid for, heavier tubing being cheaper.

You've spent a good deal of money on a very nice bike, don't ruin the experience by worrying over a pound or two. You can buy lighter parts and lose the weight but it won't make you faster, just poorer.

You didn't buy the bike to win some weight weenie contest so stop picking up your friends' bikes and just ride.

model/year might help... Kind of like saying I bought a Chevy and it is heavy even tho I put new tires on it.

It's not the frame. It's everything.