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Which is probably the way to go.

Which is precisely why the type of handlebar matters - because different handlebars provide different places to put your hands.

Nice. I've never seen those before. Drops with sweepback and rise and hoods would be the ultimate bar, so all those are missing are the sweepback. And they're probably $$ as heck.

Nitto Noodle has the sweepback

Show me a standard handlebar and I can show you that same bar (or similar) installed in various heights proving that the bar isn't the problem or solution.

Troof. What a silly name, haha.

I mean, bullhorns should work, right?


...but not if you install them like this:

carleton - I'm stepping in what you're laying down but with so many different types of handlebars available, ruling out a certain kind out as "standard" is ridiculous.

OP - that's you're problem right there. Your bars aren't "standard" enough.

No, my point was that I can't find photos of some obscure handlebar installed at various heights. But, I can probably find drop bars, track drops, bullhorns, etc... installed at different heights where people wanted either more comfort or more aero.

The handlebars aren't he problem...or the solution. It's where they are installed that is the problem and the solution.

And provide a hand position not found on other drop bars with no sweep.

That is an awesome bar with lots of hand positions. But, my assertion is that if it is installed in a low position, the neck/shoulder pain will probably still be there.

Thank you! Track geometry is such a generic term.

...and pretty much this:

What kinds of bars don't matter. For instance, if a person is using a non-set back seatpost with a the saddle slammed all the way forwar, putting a set of risers will not get rid his shoulders pain he is in because he is still putting WAY too much weight on both his arms and wrists.

What kind of shoes don't matter then either. We should all be equally as comfortable walking in the same shoe, regardless of the fact that all of our feet and bodies are different.

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What kind of shoe doesn't matter as much as saddle height in terms of knee pain

People wear sneakers, loafers, sandles, road cycling shoes, MTB shoes, etc... all comfortably if the saddle is the proper height.

I've been messing with my saddle height for awhile, I think I've been riding it too high.

May I ask what you and Scrod's inseams and saddle height (saddle to bb) are?

No, you may not.

...because our numbers don't matter to you. 1cm in either direction can make a noticeable difference. Also, clothing, shoes, insoles, cleat type, pedals, saddle height (from rails to top of the padding) all play a factor. I've mentioned previously that I've had two different pairs of cycling shoes that required a 1cm saddle height adjustment if I used one or the other pair.

Also, some people are heel-droppers and some are toe-dippers and others are neutral in their pedal stroke. That, too, plays a big factor.

That is exactly what my next post was going to say. I was using a riser bar a while back and couldn't get comfortable with it. I tried with a 90mm stem, 100mm stem, a 5 degree rise stem and a 17 degree rise stem and nothing worked. I ordered the soma sparrow and the next thing I know I was riding in comfort that I have never felt before.

I used to have the same problem. What helped me was to lower the seatpost a cm or so, raise my (quill)stem a cm or so, and bring my saddle forward little bit(2.5mm maybe). It made a pretty big difference.

I don't think track or trackish bikes were really meant to be comfortable over long distances, but they're fun as hell to ride. If your hands are lower than your butt, you're going to experience discomfort eventually. Even just to look up to see traffic. Risers can bring your hands up, but leave you with only one position. Everything's a tradeoff, ya know?

I can say that my angus has felt very comfortable since I got it to the point where my saddle is close to the same height as my hands. What is it Mike Watt said? Something like that.

I've come to a conclusion that I'm a natural toe-dipper and may prefer my saddle higher than the "suggested" height by the LeMond Formula and the 109% thing.

Sorry. For reference. Mike Watt said: