alters are ugly

fact

+1

theyre definitely different. i have the sides of my black one covered in black reflective tape. its a reversible upgrade or downgrade depending on how you feel about being a cinelli billboard. the top down view is always very cool to me!

Yes, I was definitely talking length.

I also think they're pretty ugly, but cool at the same time.

opinion =/= fact

my opinion is they look awesome.

btw adriano: so you are selling an alter? what size? color? interested.

Just rock a shim with an Origin 8 stem like a ******.

its got a black body and a silver cap, and ive got to measure still.

from the catacombs:

http://i.imgur.com/gwnsL.jpg

bounced flash slightly lit the reflective vinyl.

word....so that is reflective vinyl on it? is it black underneath?

yes and yes.

cool. well, lemme know length and what you want for it later if u want to sell.