I really don't get the whole NJS thing, especially second hand ones. Although I would have bought your Maxway second hand if it wasn't for those pesky cable stops.

so nobody has any opinions on a frame with nicer tubing than the soma rush but not five times the price?

I already said it before, Wabi Special.

DUDE, LET ME CUT AND PASTE THE POST.
http://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...Frameset-Grey/ 600.00? + tax
geez toss in another hundred and get a njs?
http://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...Frameset-Blue/ = 800.00 +tax
Both more expensive than a used NJS.. if you take your time, and wait for a good deal, they are out there.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/2347670489.html

here is another 600 OBO!

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/2352210731.html

Umm, i have seen a couple suggestions. Some are even steel frames. :) Get the soma. Did you miss the cream city suggestion?

what point are you trying to make by posting two links to frames for sale that the OP never asked about? I could post a link to a Porsche and suggest that he not buy that because he can get a used GTI and have just as much fun. Your ramblings make no sense. And just because you may want a beat up used NJS frame doesn't make that the OP's only option.

GTI. Porsche , wtf are u rambling about? thought we were talking about frames not analogies that make no sense.
You sir are a complete idiot, can you even read? "definately say $799" I NEVER "definately say" 799 for an njs frame. also the gazzetta was mentioned multiple times in this thread (so they were linked). you need to take some reading comprehension classes. also the the frames from bike island are decent as well for the price. oh.. and back to your 12 year old statement "brah, but thanks for playing."

Is it just me, or do the Wabi frames look like their drop outs aren't perfectly horizontal? At least the Classic & Special frames.

What size are you? I have a unridden 54cm Kazane frameset with headset, 1", lugged, and a kashimax TT protector that I'm willing to part with for under $450

Otherwise just look around and don't buy into this NJS bull****... I got a killer deal on a Koga Full Pro Track... $500 NIB w/ 1" fork.

You'll notice a HT angle difference more. One of the reasons I love my Trek T1 (red), light aluminum frame, carbon fork, and a 74-degree head tube. For as much hate as Trek gets, they really did "get it right" on that one.

man the frames suggested here are amazing looking. definitely considering holding out for one of these instead of going with the pake I was looking at. love that Gazzetta and Masi Speciale Sprint

Why did you link to the Godzilla frame? No one ever mentioned that. And my analogy makes as much sense as any of your posts.

http://pichars.org/store/2412_original_MfvXC.

I say Leader also. You'll save a couple of bucks.

:innocent:

If you're agreeing with me I love the 722. Great looking bike.

Never been a fan of dimpeled chainstays personally.

isnt that just for chainring or tire clearance depending on which side? i didnt think it was aesthetic

it's awful looking either way

i have a wabi lightning (more slack i think, to lazy to confirm) coming from a trek T1.
it does feel different. and its a difference i liked

Get a wabi lighning. I rode this and the classic, and the lightning made me feel like other bikes are just heavy pos steal. That being said I was looking at the steel frame frome velomine. Check it out on their website. I will not provide a link haha, google it up dawg, it's like a track bike Brahmin. Super fast ;)



Actually here is a link, it's under completes, not frames. I knew this would get confusing haha. http://www.velomine.com/index.php?ma...gjke60rsfb4k91

yeah man, the velo-mine lugged steel frame is really cool, but i was leaning towards a little nicer tubing. i used to have an aluminum and carbon road bike but think my current steel rides better, which is why i was going to get a steel track bike. however, i do have a steel bianchi pista, so i have thought about mixing it up with an aluminum frame. what made you choose the wabi lightning over the pake french track frame?

edit: i also noticed that Dennis on fixedgeargallery has written a review on the wabi lightning ant the wabi special, yet he owns the lightning, that's saying something.

Well as I understood it the velomine track fram might be maxway? Tubing. Scrod or someone else would have to chime in on that. The lightning is a great bike, and I hope to own one shortly, but am in the process of moving from Utah to the la area, so I'm saving right now. I can't say enough about the lightning, it was just so light and quick. It handled great and you notice how light it is right away, but especially on climbs.

I wasn't looking at the pake frame, I'm just riding a bridgestone conversion right now. A 1988 rb2. I love this bike for getting around town, but I am ready for a lightning. If I get play money I will probably try to build up he velOmine frame just for the enjoyment of building a bike. But if it was going to he one bike, it would be a wabi lightning. Now to decide between the matte black and the orange.


Soon precious, soon...

The VeloMine frame is indeed Maxway.

can anyone confirm that they are, in fact, completely horizontal? it reminds me too much of the alien/ viking cycles drop outs.

perfectly horiz, check out my pedal rooms:
http://www.pedalroom.com/bike/wabi-l...2198#photo8155

the lightning is such a cool frame, and the scandium makes it seem like the tubing is probably nicer than most aluminum track bikes for a lot more money. i would get one in a heartbeat if the bb wasn't 1 inch lower than my current track bike. should i just not worry about it and get one?

agreed. the lightning with bullhorns just seems like it'd look so sexy

I know the lightning has horizontal drop outs, that's why I mentioned the Classic & Special :)

Here's a Wabi Special for reference:

http://velospace.org/files/DSC_3311.jpg

http://velospace.org/node/32210

thanks to getting mine at COST my Soma Rush 2010 LTD only cost me $260- for that money I can't imagine being happier with my personal choice. I've got the ratio set up at 48x17 and it is just silly fast with Velocity Wheels and Omnium Cranks.


https://picasaweb.google.com/morry32...WZ1oqBhOeSigE#

I've since replaced the Masi saddle with a Brooks B17 Black

dang I like that green