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MIDAS Murai tires "no flat no tube no stress"

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Old 07-24-11 | 01:00 PM
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MIDAS Musai tires "no flat no tube no stress"

I was looking at this video: https://vimeo.com/26422501

and I became instantly interested in these tires when the guy is riding these Midas tires on a bunch of broken glass or something, apparently they don't need any tubes, no pump or valve. just slap them on and go..

Anybody know anything about them? old? new? If someone has ridden them, let us know!

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Old 07-24-11 | 01:18 PM
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Looks like they're solid rubber, which says "ridiculous heavy" to me, although the site likens their weight to that of a feather. Aside from that, I'd be concerned about slippage. Not sure how they've worked with that problem, because I can't read Korean.

All in all, I'd be interested in trying them.
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Old 07-24-11 | 01:48 PM
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Looks interesting.
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Old 07-24-11 | 02:30 PM
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700x23c weighs in at 300g according to their site. not too shabby. I could definitely see myself using these on a commuter.
I sent 'em an e-mail.
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waiting to see vid of someone trying to mount these...
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Rough idea of how it works from the installation page of their english site : https://midas-tire.com/eng/2_tech/tech2_01.html

Has a few videos of the "pin" system.
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Old 07-24-11 | 02:44 PM
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maybe, i know at the shop he have mounted a few solid wheelchair tires..........awful.
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They mention in their "Q&A" section that the installation process is by no means easy. I'm more curious about the strength of the compound itself. If it takes 20 minutes to install the thing and then 1 rock takes an awkward chunk out of the edge of the tire, then the whole thing becomes pointless. Anyone who has ever wheeled around a shopping cart with a chunk out of the tire knows how annoying that thumping can become, and that isn't at 20mph.

Tubes have the ability to somewhat adjust the "trueness" of the tire itself, but for this tire if you end up wearing down a section through skidding or by whatever means you may end up with a new issue that results in an out of whack ride.
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Man, at the end, the guy was picking off pieces of glass and the gift still looked fine.
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Old 07-24-11 | 03:03 PM
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Who wants to ride on a hard rubber tire full of nicks, pits and chips? With today's selection of long-lasting/flat resistant tires, those things are pointless.
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Old 07-24-11 | 03:55 PM
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Who wants to ride on a hard rubber tire full of nicks, pits and chips? With today's selection of long-lasting/flat resistant tires, those things are pointless.
This.
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Old 07-24-11 | 04:05 PM
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Pneumatic tires spelled the beginning of bikes and automobiles for a reason - solid tires suck.

or, as Sheldon says:
Originally Posted by https://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html
Of all the inventions that came out of the bicycle industry, probably none is as important and useful as Dr. Dunlop's pneumatic tire.

Airless tires have been obsolete for over a century, but crackpot "inventors" keep trying to bring them back. They are heavy, slow and give a harsh ride. They are also likely to cause wheel damage, due to their poor cushioning ability. A pneumatic tire uses all of the air in the whole tube as a shock absorber, while foam-type "airless" tires/tubes only use the air in the immediate area of impact.

Pneumatic tires require pumping up from time to time, and can go flat, but their advantages overwhelm these difficulties.

Airless tire schemes have also been used by con artists to gull unsuspecting investors. My advice is to avoid this long-obsolete system.
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Who wants to ride on a hard rubber tire full of nicks, pits and chips? With today's selection of long-lasting/flat resistant tires, those things are pointless.
They list the aprox tire pressures for their two versions at 100psi and 130psi. That seems far from "hard rubber." And based on the reading they have no more a chance at pits or chips than any other tire you might run right now.
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i cant take this video seriously if they're gonna ted shred in sidi's (0:52). come on, really?
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Originally Posted by xkillemallx16
i cant take this video seriously if they're gonna ted shred in sidi's (0:52). come on, really?
Shred marks on your shoes is +10 street cred points. If they're Sidi it's +20. These tires have a lot of cred.
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Originally Posted by jibberishballr
They list the aprox tire pressures for their two versions at 100psi and 130psi. That seems far from "hard rubber." And based on the reading they have no more a chance at pits or chips than any other tire you might run right now.
Okay...I guess I meant solid rubber and you can clearly see at the end of the video that there are big holes left behind as the dude is picking debris from his tire. After a month of riding every day, those tires would be total garbage.
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
Okay...I guess I meant solid rubber and you can clearly see at the end of the video that there are big holes left behind as the dude is picking debris from his tire. After a month of riding every day, those tires would be total garbage.
There are big holes after he rode over sheets of broken glass intentionally. With every day riding, hitting normal debris, I seriously doubt you would tear through one of those tires or they wouldn't be making a huge deal of them. They are described as having a similar tread life as a standard tire, which must mean the "durability" of the polymer they use is about equal to that of a standard tire.
And incase you don't realize, the nature of the polymer is to have a shape and return to that shape after deformation. That is how after you put pressure on the tire via rolling, it is still shaped like a tire and not flatter. Any debris that punctures the tire is displacing material, not removing it, so naturally after the debris is removed the hole will fill back in as the tire returns to original pressure/shape.
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I guess you should get some and let us know how they hold up. I'll keep dealing with the seemingly unbearable hassle of using tubes and good tires, thanks.
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it's not like the tube and tire system widely used now is bad. if it ain't broken don't fix it
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it's not like the tube and tire system widely used now is bad. if it ain't broken don't fix it
I'm glad inventors don't take to that saying or we wouldn't have cell phones, our cars would still be horses, the road bike forum wouldn't exist cause who would need gears.

I'm not saying these are a great product, but you're acting like a bunch of elitest snobs to shoot them down with generalizations that can't even properly be applied to the product in a logical way. Even with nice tires I still get about 3 flats a month, and every time it's inconvenient.
I doubt anything like this will ever take over in a racing relm, but they could turn out to be a great commuter tire alternative that saves a lot of "eh f**k" moments when you go to leave the house and got a slow leak flat over night that you just noticed or you're riding to work and here that quick "pshhhhh" that means you better have left 5 minutes early or you're late now.

Maybe they're nothing, but maybe they turn out to work great and be a huge help to city riding. I know for sure we'd never find out if we all had your attitudes.
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Where have you been? There have been plenty of other airless bicycle tires like this and I see NO ONE using them.

https://tinyurl.com/3dneqxa
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I'll just be obvious about it because I'm a big boy https://lmgtfy.com/?q=technological+advancement

aluminum frames were sh*t when they first came out too, but look at them now and you'll see they are used 5:1 to steel in any competitive cycling.
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Seeing as you put it that way - when we see competitive cyclists using "technologically advanced" heavy, solid rubber tires that take 20 minutes to mount...then we can dig this thread up to talk about how wrong I was back in 2011.

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Originally Posted by stryper
I'll just be obvious about it because I'm a big boy https://lmgtfy.com/?q=technological+advancement

aluminum frames were sh*t when they first came out too, but look at them now and you'll see they are used 5:1 to steel in any competitive cycling.
Aluminum frames also weren't used before steel, and replaced with steel that was so much better in every way that nobody ever looked back except crackpots whose idea never caught on.

It is a dumb analogy.
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I'll just be obvious about it because I'm a big boy https://lmgtfy.com/?q=technological+advancement
You got it backwards, buddy
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