Old Classics
11-23-04 | 12:42 PM
#26
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Joined: Dec 2001
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From: n.w. superdrome
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
I particularly like this one on e-buy:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7116009280
And this little number:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116041554&rd=1
There are some really interesting bikes/frames on e-bay Italy and Germany
that don't always show up at US site.
marty
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7116009280
And this little number:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116041554&rd=1
There are some really interesting bikes/frames on e-bay Italy and Germany
that don't always show up at US site.
marty
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11-24-04 | 06:45 AM
#27
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https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116101044&rd=1
AWESOME ! SOMEC Columbus Sl Frame! I miss mine ( I had 2) my cousins sold one and it was the best one of the two I had.
S/F,
CEYA!
AWESOME ! SOMEC Columbus Sl Frame! I miss mine ( I had 2) my cousins sold one and it was the best one of the two I had.
S/F,
CEYA!
Last edited by Ceya; 11-24-04 at 06:51 AM.
11-24-04 | 12:39 PM
#28
...leaving skid marks
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,014
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From: NYC (chinatown, w.vill, morningside)
Bikes: fuji track se ('02) | independent fabrication crown jewel ('04)
holy crap 1932 Speedwell :
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7116585444
This auction is for a 1932ish Speedwell frame and matching fork. It includes the original headset and partly non-original but complete bottom bracket. For its age I consider it in excellent condition. Astounding in fact, and with some correct parts would be quite some show bike or collectors pride and joy. One of Australias finest marques & perhaps as good as any produced from a similar era. This ones more than good enough to ride and whilst it's not perfect but it is offered for $9.99 and with no reserve.
I have asked from esteemed collectors, builders that are knowledgeable of the era and what references I have been able to find both on the web and from historical groups such as the Canberra Bicycle Museum, for verification and dating. In short the consensus is that it definitely dates no later than 1934, is most probably from 1932 and might even be from a slightly earlier period. All were unanimous in recognizing that it was genuinely a Speedwell from that era and that it is indeed rare to find one with an all chrome finish and in such good condition that hasnt had the patina or charm of originality lost to restoration. And Ive been riding it
Specifics - Condition:
* serial # on both the frame & fork steerer is G 36901, one rear end is stamped Y5543
* Seat tube measures 53.5cm c-c, top tube measures 58cm c-c (or 21 x 22.5 in ye old school)
* Seat tube is 26.6mm diameter post, space between rear ends is 112mm and between fork dropouts is 92mm.
I point out the exact condition so you know what your bidding for and I have looked it over thoroughly so you dont have to sweat over ambiguity; Im a tough judge. The chrome work would put any Italian frame 50 years its junior to shame. It shows no signs of lifting, is smooth and still has plenty of luster but has areas of pitting or small spots that would respond well to a good clean and proper polish. See the pics. There is no paint or decals but the downtube has a shadow of where the letters Speedwell once were hard to show on camera but visible in a photo below. Small traces of paint remain along the lugs from where it would have been hand lined.
It's unclear whether the tubing is Reynolds or Accles & Pollock. All lugs are sound and securely brazed, the insides have evidently been oiled/treated but there is some light surface rust; clean and treat with your favorite stuff. I cant see any real rust or portion/s that needs replacing (neither can any frame builder or restorer). It is sound. The only bobble on the frame is a slight crimp on the seat tube, about 6 inches below the seat tube lug, obviously from an inexperienced mechanic who clamped it in a work stand, the depressions are very slight and shown in pictures below. Too small to affect the tube integrity and easily rolled out by a competent frame builder with the right clamps, but, to not risk marring the chrome it has been suggested (got access to a lathe?) to oil up and tap through a 26.6mm hard wood dowel (or alloy), if you have a long 26.6mm seat post then its easily remedied and put straight. Otherwise all tubes are straight and with no dings or scrapes.
Unfortunately, the channels on the rear ends have been brazed in, I guess so somebody could use a rear hub/axle without the correct axle spacer sleeve. As evident below it has taken away the chrome and doesnt look so pretty. The track ends are however sound and solid and a steady hand with a dremel and file would be needed to bring it back to original.
The fork crown has been drilled but is to my eye slightly off centre and the rear seat stay bridge is untouched. The bottom bracket shell still has the original oiler spout/hole yes, its head still flips and can be unthreaded as well. The original headset with internal cups is in place, with very little wear to the races but the fork crown race has a hairline crack in it. I left it in place so not to spread it and with bearings and grease in place I have ridden it with no signs of indexing or sticking. The bottom bracket is the correct width and for cranks with cotter pins. On the axle, cups and lockring I see Brambton, Zeus and ? it rolls well and is solid.
The fork steerer is with good threads, solid and with only a slight bulge from overtightening a stem. The base of the steerer has an oval stamp with the letters A & P B.S.T 9/16". The fork dropouts are wonderful and perhaps my favorite part next to the blades which start out round then end distinctly oval. The seat post binder tabs are fine (need to be opened slightly) and the seat post tube is in good condition with no sign of heavy scratching or signs of having had a stuck post. I had taken this frame to Jack Walsh as he would have ridden a Speedwell of this era before riding for Malvern Star and he spent a good while looking it over, studying its details, and making private observations. He nodded a few times, looked me in the eye with a poker straight face and claimed Geez, them things were heavy! If you know Jack
I wish to add as one of you have asked, this is not Titanium, nor comes from England (they were a different and much later Speedwell). Titanium is nice but this is far more exotic (nowdays) ..... Lugged Steel! For more info on Aussie Speedwell's click the link Here !
Check the detailed pics below and know that if you have interest what you are bidding for is authentic and accurately described. If it grabs you by the proverbials then bid high as it is indeed a nice example and from the minds of many who know a thing of two about Speedwells and classic bikes of this era, it may be unlikely to find another in such original condition with an all chrome finish, so lustrous. I have taken it to the Dunc Gray Olympic Velodrome to compare with Duncs glass encased bike and sure Im biased but this ones nicer and in far better condition. Alas I know not if its had any significant history and it found its way into my hands with nice but not period correct parts Im offering it on to fund other projects. What do you really want for Christmas?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7116585444
This auction is for a 1932ish Speedwell frame and matching fork. It includes the original headset and partly non-original but complete bottom bracket. For its age I consider it in excellent condition. Astounding in fact, and with some correct parts would be quite some show bike or collectors pride and joy. One of Australias finest marques & perhaps as good as any produced from a similar era. This ones more than good enough to ride and whilst it's not perfect but it is offered for $9.99 and with no reserve.
I have asked from esteemed collectors, builders that are knowledgeable of the era and what references I have been able to find both on the web and from historical groups such as the Canberra Bicycle Museum, for verification and dating. In short the consensus is that it definitely dates no later than 1934, is most probably from 1932 and might even be from a slightly earlier period. All were unanimous in recognizing that it was genuinely a Speedwell from that era and that it is indeed rare to find one with an all chrome finish and in such good condition that hasnt had the patina or charm of originality lost to restoration. And Ive been riding it
Specifics - Condition:
* serial # on both the frame & fork steerer is G 36901, one rear end is stamped Y5543
* Seat tube measures 53.5cm c-c, top tube measures 58cm c-c (or 21 x 22.5 in ye old school)
* Seat tube is 26.6mm diameter post, space between rear ends is 112mm and between fork dropouts is 92mm.
I point out the exact condition so you know what your bidding for and I have looked it over thoroughly so you dont have to sweat over ambiguity; Im a tough judge. The chrome work would put any Italian frame 50 years its junior to shame. It shows no signs of lifting, is smooth and still has plenty of luster but has areas of pitting or small spots that would respond well to a good clean and proper polish. See the pics. There is no paint or decals but the downtube has a shadow of where the letters Speedwell once were hard to show on camera but visible in a photo below. Small traces of paint remain along the lugs from where it would have been hand lined.
It's unclear whether the tubing is Reynolds or Accles & Pollock. All lugs are sound and securely brazed, the insides have evidently been oiled/treated but there is some light surface rust; clean and treat with your favorite stuff. I cant see any real rust or portion/s that needs replacing (neither can any frame builder or restorer). It is sound. The only bobble on the frame is a slight crimp on the seat tube, about 6 inches below the seat tube lug, obviously from an inexperienced mechanic who clamped it in a work stand, the depressions are very slight and shown in pictures below. Too small to affect the tube integrity and easily rolled out by a competent frame builder with the right clamps, but, to not risk marring the chrome it has been suggested (got access to a lathe?) to oil up and tap through a 26.6mm hard wood dowel (or alloy), if you have a long 26.6mm seat post then its easily remedied and put straight. Otherwise all tubes are straight and with no dings or scrapes.
Unfortunately, the channels on the rear ends have been brazed in, I guess so somebody could use a rear hub/axle without the correct axle spacer sleeve. As evident below it has taken away the chrome and doesnt look so pretty. The track ends are however sound and solid and a steady hand with a dremel and file would be needed to bring it back to original.
The fork crown has been drilled but is to my eye slightly off centre and the rear seat stay bridge is untouched. The bottom bracket shell still has the original oiler spout/hole yes, its head still flips and can be unthreaded as well. The original headset with internal cups is in place, with very little wear to the races but the fork crown race has a hairline crack in it. I left it in place so not to spread it and with bearings and grease in place I have ridden it with no signs of indexing or sticking. The bottom bracket is the correct width and for cranks with cotter pins. On the axle, cups and lockring I see Brambton, Zeus and ? it rolls well and is solid.
The fork steerer is with good threads, solid and with only a slight bulge from overtightening a stem. The base of the steerer has an oval stamp with the letters A & P B.S.T 9/16". The fork dropouts are wonderful and perhaps my favorite part next to the blades which start out round then end distinctly oval. The seat post binder tabs are fine (need to be opened slightly) and the seat post tube is in good condition with no sign of heavy scratching or signs of having had a stuck post. I had taken this frame to Jack Walsh as he would have ridden a Speedwell of this era before riding for Malvern Star and he spent a good while looking it over, studying its details, and making private observations. He nodded a few times, looked me in the eye with a poker straight face and claimed Geez, them things were heavy! If you know Jack
I wish to add as one of you have asked, this is not Titanium, nor comes from England (they were a different and much later Speedwell). Titanium is nice but this is far more exotic (nowdays) ..... Lugged Steel! For more info on Aussie Speedwell's click the link Here !
Check the detailed pics below and know that if you have interest what you are bidding for is authentic and accurately described. If it grabs you by the proverbials then bid high as it is indeed a nice example and from the minds of many who know a thing of two about Speedwells and classic bikes of this era, it may be unlikely to find another in such original condition with an all chrome finish, so lustrous. I have taken it to the Dunc Gray Olympic Velodrome to compare with Duncs glass encased bike and sure Im biased but this ones nicer and in far better condition. Alas I know not if its had any significant history and it found its way into my hands with nice but not period correct parts Im offering it on to fund other projects. What do you really want for Christmas?
11-24-04 | 01:24 PM
#29
BxTS
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
From: Santa Rosa, CA
Bikes: 1987 Centurion Dave Scott Ironman, 1988 Giant Kashmir, 1989 Trek 660
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...114815061&rd=1
THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX AND SEVENTY FIVE CENTS?!!
THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX AND SEVENTY FIVE CENTS?!!
11-25-04 | 03:15 AM
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11-25-04 | 12:09 PM
#33
Iguana Subsystem
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,016
Likes: 0
From: san francisco
there's this too.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116794470&rd=1
if only i were a couple inches taller!
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116794470&rd=1
if only i were a couple inches taller!
11-25-04 | 02:50 PM
#35
Gizmo
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
Bikes: custom Moyer track bike, '94 Bianchi track bike, 99ish Bianchi Reparto Corsa 9speed record/chorus, '81ish Koga Miyata FullPro, '84 trek 720 touring bike, mid-80s Montagner slowly being built w/period campy
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11-25-04 | 03:13 PM
#36
Originally Posted by stronzo
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that carlton has caused me to begin negotiating with my girlfriend, cause its not going cheap...i'm already up to xmas & b/day '07.....though i don't think shes' believing me for one second on that end
11-27-04 | 04:12 AM
#37
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https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...117086992&rd=1
and another one ..A MOTTA FRAME. they were hot back in the day.
S/F,
CEYA!
and another one ..A MOTTA FRAME. they were hot back in the day.
S/F,
CEYA!
