jacking the culture
12-06-04 | 11:09 PM
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The best most fun thing to do with messengers is to yell "Get a CAR, ******bag" at them 'cuz they're usually in a hurry and can't stop and stomp you a new mudhole. 
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12-06-04 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexi
Ok so I got the fore-arm tattoos, the beard, ratty smelly wool jersey, black dickies rolled up and just picked up a chrome bag; what more do I need to look like a messenger?
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12-07-04 | 05:17 PM
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Bike punks or punks on bikes? I never really understood mixing bike with more over-the-top punk culture... I mean, bondage belts get caught on ****.
As for dirty brown shirts and nasty hair, well, it's just apealing. Some of the most "punk" looking people I know listen to folk and country strictly. Likewise with bikers. I think it all comes down to that whole "rugged individualism" deal, the 'lone biker', them against the world with nothing but one gear and a big bag, like Mad Max on two weels, a new-age urban cowboy. It's just attractive to pretty much anyone. Of course Capitalism has had it's fair share in trying to co-opt the bike scene. (via store-bought fixies and Lincoln SUV commercials praising couriers!) but couriers just continue to be too damned elitist. Maybe this is a good thing? I mean, otherwise, even MORE people would be into the messenger scene, and it would become mainstream (like punk did)... blech. Atleast it's still something of a counter-culture, like not everyone knows what a reference to say.. 42X15 means, not like they recognize Sid and Nancy...
That's what we have to worry about, when 13 year old kids who've never actualy owned a bike start wairing Campy hats!
As for dirty brown shirts and nasty hair, well, it's just apealing. Some of the most "punk" looking people I know listen to folk and country strictly. Likewise with bikers. I think it all comes down to that whole "rugged individualism" deal, the 'lone biker', them against the world with nothing but one gear and a big bag, like Mad Max on two weels, a new-age urban cowboy. It's just attractive to pretty much anyone. Of course Capitalism has had it's fair share in trying to co-opt the bike scene. (via store-bought fixies and Lincoln SUV commercials praising couriers!) but couriers just continue to be too damned elitist. Maybe this is a good thing? I mean, otherwise, even MORE people would be into the messenger scene, and it would become mainstream (like punk did)... blech. Atleast it's still something of a counter-culture, like not everyone knows what a reference to say.. 42X15 means, not like they recognize Sid and Nancy...
That's what we have to worry about, when 13 year old kids who've never actualy owned a bike start wairing Campy hats!
12-08-04 | 04:24 AM
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Maybe there are more important things to worry about than fashion? I couldn't care less if I saw a thirteen year old dressed like me, I probably wouldn't notice. Seems like a viable counterculture would care more about what goes on in your head than what hat you wear.The "Queer Eye" guys recommend messenger bags. Oh no! 
Maybe I'll be a Raver or a Goth.
Maybe I'll be a Raver or a Goth.
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12-08-04 | 05:23 AM
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JACK AWAY
everyone borrows something. everyone.
if it pains people so much that someone from a fringe group covets a facet of their visual existence and this angers them, well maybe it was never really meant for them in the first place (think back to the whole hipster trucker hat thing...).
Queer Eye recommends a messenger bag (used as an example)? - cool thing, esp if it puts food in the mouths of good people at RELoad or Dank or Bailey. These are good peeps and they know how to handle things. Amd I am sure they would welcome the business.
Messengers and couriers use track bikes on the street? Hmmm...street isn't a velodrome. But it works for some.
Things change, applications change. We change. I don't care who is a messenger and who isn't-I did 14 years ago. I am more in it for the people. I met 2 really cool people this weekend at a GEARED CYCLOCROSS race. Oh ****ing no! Don't tell anyone. And someone that is no longer a messenger as well as someone who never has been one, had messenger bags. Oh ****ing no.
And then I listened to some music, punk it was, and we all know the story of the coveting of rock music. Oh ****ing no.
we all borrow something from somewhere else. Admixture - oh no. You want an attempt at cultural purity? Wasn't that tried before? You know, breeding the perfect race and all that?
Think variety. Look around. Learn something new. If it is important to you, you'll do it.
Wearing a badge does not make you a protector of citizens. Wearing a tie and starting a speech with "My fellow Americans" does not make you President. Riding a track bike does no make you cool.
No matter what, people will take what they like from you, or your friends, or a subculture. If said "appropriated" aspect is cool to you, it shouldn't matter what happens to it. We have all seen fads come and go, right? How did the development of punk aerobics change me? I was pissed, but I still wake up to the Clash whenever I can. My friend kept his V-Lo bag from the 90s - I gave mine to a friend in P-burgh b/c I didn't think it would be important and she needed it more than my closet. She was no messenger, but she needed a bag. So there you have it people (and yes, I know this thread was established as a joke - it still brings up a good topic for discussion).
Now, I need to get on my Italian track bike to ride to a Serbian-owned gym and swim in water that has been so chemically modified and I not sure how the hell my Japanese-style tattoos stay on my skin, which is geographically identified as Irish and Swedish. Maybe a smattering of German too. Hell, I might just speak Korean in order to balance the whole experience out.
everyone borrows something. everyone.
if it pains people so much that someone from a fringe group covets a facet of their visual existence and this angers them, well maybe it was never really meant for them in the first place (think back to the whole hipster trucker hat thing...).
Queer Eye recommends a messenger bag (used as an example)? - cool thing, esp if it puts food in the mouths of good people at RELoad or Dank or Bailey. These are good peeps and they know how to handle things. Amd I am sure they would welcome the business.
Messengers and couriers use track bikes on the street? Hmmm...street isn't a velodrome. But it works for some.
Things change, applications change. We change. I don't care who is a messenger and who isn't-I did 14 years ago. I am more in it for the people. I met 2 really cool people this weekend at a GEARED CYCLOCROSS race. Oh ****ing no! Don't tell anyone. And someone that is no longer a messenger as well as someone who never has been one, had messenger bags. Oh ****ing no.
And then I listened to some music, punk it was, and we all know the story of the coveting of rock music. Oh ****ing no.
we all borrow something from somewhere else. Admixture - oh no. You want an attempt at cultural purity? Wasn't that tried before? You know, breeding the perfect race and all that?
Think variety. Look around. Learn something new. If it is important to you, you'll do it.
Wearing a badge does not make you a protector of citizens. Wearing a tie and starting a speech with "My fellow Americans" does not make you President. Riding a track bike does no make you cool.
No matter what, people will take what they like from you, or your friends, or a subculture. If said "appropriated" aspect is cool to you, it shouldn't matter what happens to it. We have all seen fads come and go, right? How did the development of punk aerobics change me? I was pissed, but I still wake up to the Clash whenever I can. My friend kept his V-Lo bag from the 90s - I gave mine to a friend in P-burgh b/c I didn't think it would be important and she needed it more than my closet. She was no messenger, but she needed a bag. So there you have it people (and yes, I know this thread was established as a joke - it still brings up a good topic for discussion).
Now, I need to get on my Italian track bike to ride to a Serbian-owned gym and swim in water that has been so chemically modified and I not sure how the hell my Japanese-style tattoos stay on my skin, which is geographically identified as Irish and Swedish. Maybe a smattering of German too. Hell, I might just speak Korean in order to balance the whole experience out.
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