indeed, bonus points for being on land owned by the catholic church, of which has been plagued by numerous mysterious fires to the church and orphanages that operated there.

its also where this happened the year before the church itself burned

Interesting. I don't know that much about Lance Armstrong. I'm not into being a "cyclist" and "cycling", or sports in general. I like bikes. So, honestly, when his whole drama started, to me it was just another sports doosh, doing sports doosh stuff. Interesting article though.

I always laugh when, here in the midwest, I see a big fat person, with a "Livestrong" bracelet, embedded in their wrist...

Isn't that where that serial killer Andre Rand did his dirty business?

Sweet, lets throw a party out there!

i was unfamiliar with this guy till now, theres a movie called Cropsey on netflix about him, people have been telling me to watch it for years. never knew it had to do with an actual person.

but no aparently it was Willowbrook State School, which my father also worked at. which was basically a dumping ground for children with mental conditions that noone knew what to do with, and treated them like human garbage. Geraldo did an exposé on it in '72 and according to my dad what they say is true, some real american horror story type ****. Kennedy called it a "snake-pit".

today i work at the community college which sits on top of the (rumored) mass graves now, buildings and grounds guys tell of a network of tunnels underneath all the buildings still, some closed off.

a mile away is (was) the old Seaview Hospital where they housed thousands of Tuberculosis patients and pioneered cures for eradicating TB, which was also a nightmare.

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man, this place sucks. lol.

Is that near the Outerbridge on Amboy?

sortof, its inbetween amboy and hylan which run mostly parallel to each other
theres a gravel parking lot on the northern "back" end near the hotrod shop, if you know amboy rd im sure you know what im talkin about

its called "mt loretto state unique area" odd title for an odd place

OK, that is kinda where i imagined it. Might have a go next time I am on the Island.

Staten Island has a few "odd" names for places, "Fresh Kills" for example.

kill = dutch for creek

everything around here has either a dutch or italian name

Thanks, I hadn't made that connection, because of the creek having fresh water. A lot less erie now.

Yeah I saw that Cropsey movie, and it's definitely creeepy. That guy made Ottis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas look somewhat less creepy. Plus the mass graves of orphans is really disturbing. I remember a couple years ago they uncovered a mass grave at an old orphanage down in Florida somewhere. Apparently it had been running for almost a decade, and only a couple years after it opened, had already had numerous inquiries regarding the treatment of the kids there...

I hate to get away from this "creepy" thing, but Manny, did I have an eye opening ride this morning.

On my normal loop, cars hauling bikes passd me on the road leading to the local Metropark. Dropping by to see what was happening, noticed there are several Surleys, a Riv or two, a couple of those low slung trikes, and one of those CF recumbents that look like a spaceship!....this in a neighborhood that if you see kid on a box store bike, you've seen 40% of the cycling population!

Turned out they're all old folk, like me, and invited me to tag along! Sweet!

Staying in the ride pic mode here's mine from this morning. Don't think I've posted it when it was dressed for distance. Never thought to break out the camera while meeting the group....too busy ogling and drooling. Who knew there were those types of bikes here!?!

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Woah, that is sweet, Joe....

Nice bike, love those curved fender stays. (and don't get me started on recumbents :))

Ha! I am a former fat dude. I was pushing 235lbs at 5'9", about to turn 40 and I knew I had to make some changes. Started riding more, which led to eating better and quitting smoking. Over the proverbial hill now and I'm sitting really happily at 169lbs. In the best shape of my life. Still the same height, though.....

Hope you made some new friends. Nice bike and location!

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from today's ride.....

^^^^^^Cool mix of bikes and riders, looks like a fun ride.

Dammit, I might have to put some Dia Comp centerpulls on my bike now.

Im not sure but shouldn't the rear fender be facing the other way so that there's no mud on your butt? Anyway, nice ride!

I think the city and its people have moved on.

What city? Where's "USA!"? Is that in Japan?

Looks like Dallas, TX

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