look at the futuristic microbe-filtering appliance the starter guy is wearing.

The future is now, unfortunately.

@Santaria...i still do not get why you restricted your choices for a long distance training bike to either a steamroller or bareknuckle, when there are so many other bikes more appropriate for that task
but fwiw...
ain't nobody here taking no bareknuckles or big blocks & no njs bikes to places like i ride my steamroller...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/100_4014.jpg

anyway...just got back from riding my sr at a local mtb park & all i gotta do is spray it down, change bars, cog, tires & this weekend i'll rundown some blowhard who likes to brag he rides 20+ mph for miles & miles...

have fun & good luck in your search for a new bike

It's funny that winter 2 years ago, I was deciding between the same frames. I had a BK ready to be shipped to me until I got an email that it was "scratched" They sent a pic and it looked more like a scrape/minor dent. They were only willing to give me $40 off so I said screw it i'll get something else, looked on here at the surly thread. I fell in love with the surly bought it and I've never been happier with a bike purchase since I got into riding bikes. The frames a friggin' chameleon and can be whatever you want it to be. My 2 cents i'm not as informed as some of these other dudes.

http://surlybikes.com/bikes/steamroller
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rkgeometry.jpg

http://www.lfgss.com/thread1175.html

Surly Steamroller (56cm): 2010g, fork 916g
EAI Bareknuckle (56cm according to will@hubjub): just under 2000g, fork: 900g

26 grams in weight difference. 26 g = 0.057320 lb OR 0 lb and 0.91 oz

Geo, the standover height is .838 vs 808, 03 mm that less than 1/8"

Top tube length is .003 mm 565 vs 568
seat tube angle and length are identical 73.5 degrees and 56 cm
head tube angle is 75 vs 73.5 degrees which seems to be the biggest diference.

I addressed the cost difference, that's probably the only real/material inaccuracy in my post. Both are name brand recognition frames. Make whatever you want of it, uglier welds vs prettier cleaned up welds only matter if the frame doesn't adequately support the weight of the rider. I'm going to assume both frames are adequate.

The steamroller bb drop is 70mm. I was unable to find the BK's bb drop, but I assume it's some where in the sub-60mm range. A Kilo TT has a bb drop of 60mm, and my Rush has a bb drop of 58mm.

I wish I were younger. That seems like a hellofalotta work.

I won't assume, so I went with the measurements given. And there's a thing called mathematics. One can compute a triangles legs with 2 lengths given and also knowing the degrees that are given and known. The top tubes of either bike is within .003 of each other, while the seat tube is 56 cm for both. I don't need to really do the calculation to know the down tube and unknown for the EAI has gotta be about the same length & dimension to comprise the main triangles of both bikes. Then again the steering tube is 136 for the Surly and the the BK is 167 mm, that 21 mm being longer and the down tube could be a tad shorter too. But the seat tube angle is identical for both bikes and the standover height being less than 1/8" difference tells me the bikes are essentially the same knowing the other dimensions are as nearly identical as well. Both bikes have level top tubes also, so it's not as though one has a sloping top tube. Guess we were fortunate in that aspect of both frames ? The rear triangle and even the fork has to have enough dimensions & rake to accomodate front & rear 700c wheels radius. Eyeballing the clearances for both tires are essentially the same.

I like the way you phrased that, because over 50-150 miles "fast" is measured in terms of as little as a few seconds to several minutes. For rides that become several hours to full days, any differences in "fast" there could be the difference in traffic flows that may be dictated by whether a cyclist caught one or a few traffic lights in their favor even.

LOL, a really cool gif always beats logic & math ?

Until you've ridden both frames and can make an actual real world comparison, yes.

For emphasis, I'm going to try to add clarification.

The bike will be used strictly for distance, not touring. It will be fixed-gear w/ a front brake and it will not be replacing my el diablo. So I already have the perfect touring, club riding, dicking around with the wife, kids, family and friends fixed-gear bike covered. This bike will be a non-track race bike. I'm not sure why an ATB came into the equation.

tl;dr

If you post "you should get ....steel framed touring..." you didn't read or don't know that I already ride an extremely badass Handsome Devil already. This is a race-specific bike (frame) we're talking about.

In that case stop dancing around with the $ 420-700 frames and get a Cinelli Super Corsa/Pista ?

http://www.wrenchscience.com/track/f...sa+Pista/2012/

If I was going to climb over the $1k mark on a frame, I'd probably just go with a Lynsky frame. I'm fairly set on the BK at this point. If I was unsure by now, I'd be looking at the new Wabi frameset.

Cool, then the bareknuckle it is.

You said you were 170ish in the other thread I think. Why not get the Gojirra?

I fluctuate up near 185 and the 1" steerer scares me a little, frankly. It seems odd, but every bike I've worked on had a 1 1/8" threadless. My Araya had a quill, but I never mucked with it too much.

my soma had a 1" and with a shim for the stem it was fine, I rode that thing at 225 + a full backpack every day. I'd prefer 1 1/8 too, but that's merely from a convenience standpoint (for me)

You'll be perfectly fine for quill at that weight. They are strong if they are installed correctly.

Only thing is that they are more flexy than threadless and can be heavier in most cases.

I liked the stiffer feel of threadless but its subtle. Nothing wrong with quill though. I'd only be choosing it for looks if I did go that direction, OR if its on the frame I want.

the steerer is threadless so no need to worry about quill support anyway

at my absolute fattest, 260ish, I had an aluminum cannondale with a quill stem. people don't give bikes enough credit :p

You can never have too many fixies bro...

I've been riding a Steamroller for 4 years. One of my favorite bikes. I've had it shod with 700x38 (semi-slicks), 700x32 cross tires and 700x23. Been on many long-distance rides and singletracks. Very comfortable, versatile bike. I haven't ridden a BK, though. But have owned other "track" frames, and although they were fun for short rides around town, they were not fun for long rides. All personal pref. though.

My next frame will most likely be a custom Walt Works, with slightly better pedal clearance. But the Steamroller will always have a spot in the garage.