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Old 05-09-12, 02:10 PM
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Saw this today on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...-fram?ref=live
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i question the strength of this build
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Hasn't this already been in the jackass thread?
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interesting and ugly
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Yeah, I wouldn't even sit on that bike.
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Originally Posted by IvyCap
i question the strength of this build
Why not print a tube pattern on a flat sheet of metal, fold it up and glue / rivet it together? With our method, frames can be “printed” at a local shop and assembled by anyone who can glue and operate a rivet gun. Also, our technique skips any welding that can weaken the the frame material by creating heat affected regions at the joints. Heat affected regions soften the material near welded joints.
So riveted and glued has better integrity than welding, huh? Who knew?
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I would pledge money just to jump on it and smash that bike in half with a stomp. fur real.
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I would pledge money just to jump on it and smash that bike in half with a stomp. fur real.
This.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
So riveted and glued has better integrity than welding, huh? Who knew?
In some applications, yes. Also, adhesive can be stronger than a weld, rivets stronger than adhesive and vise versa, it all depends on how they are used.
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You'll probably need a new set of teeth after a going off a curb with this thing.
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i dont understand how it could be "light"
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Something I realized in the video, it shows the bike being carried/ walked more than ridden...
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Originally Posted by ianjk
In some applications, yes. Also, adhesive can be stronger than a weld, rivets stronger than adhesive and vise versa, it all depends on how they are used.
I'm an engineer so I realize this, but welding and brazing are not as sensitive to post-assembly maintenance and environmental conditions.
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Actually, glued CAN have better integrity than welding. Just ask Lotus. The lotus Elise is glued together with a glue that chemically bonds at around 700f and the bonding IS stronger than steel welds.

Come to think of it, wish we could use that stuff for making bike frames.

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So riveted and glued has better integrity than welding, huh? Who knew?
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
Come to think of it, wish we could use that stuff for making bike frames.
carbon fiber reinforced epoxy
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
Actually, glued CAN have better integrity than welding. Just ask Lotus. The lotus Elise is glued together with a glue that chemically bonds at around 700f and the bonding IS stronger than steel welds.

Come to think of it, wish we could use that stuff for making bike frames.
That's not really relevant, though. The engineers at Lotus know what they're doing...these people clearly do not. In fact, their entire premise for why welding is weak is just plain wrong.

A friend (and fellow engineer) and I were talking about using 3M industrial epoxy to build a lugged bike--given adequate preparation, it's certainly doable. Hell, the early carbon bikes were bonded together in aluminum lugs...though that didn't always work out.
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If the idea was any good, they could attract venture capital rather than asking for donations on the internet.
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If the idea was any good, they could attract venture capital rather than asking for donations on the internet.
Donations on the internet from friendly people is actually far better than trying to attract vulture capital.
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One could say that about any idea on kickstarter.
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Originally Posted by Young Version
That's not really relevant, though. The engineers at Lotus know what they're doing...these people clearly do not. In fact, their entire premise for why welding is weak is just plain wrong.

A friend (and fellow engineer) and I were talking about using 3M industrial epoxy to build a lugged bike--given adequate preparation, it's certainly doable. Hell, the early carbon bikes were bonded together in aluminum lugs...though that didn't always work out.
So the next step is to convince lotus to start a kick starter project to make bicycles.

Problem solved.
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