Picking a crankset: Omnium vs. Miche vs. Andel vs. Others
Hi everybody!
I'm doing some shopping for a new crankset to go on my Rush. I'd really appreciate some help deciding between a handful of sets or possibly finding a new one I haven't considered yet. I've done quite a bit of research on how a lot of the available track cranksets stack up on paper but I could really use some input from people with first hand experience. My criteria is: 144 BCD Silver preferred <$200ish with good BB and 48T chainring This left me with the following top contenders: Sram Omniums (a little pricey but they've got a good reputation) Miche Advanced (Needs a BB so it would also be a bit pricey) Andel Deluxe (Meets all my criteria but I'm wondering how it would feel compared to some of the higher end stuff) Affinity Track crankset (Their site is down so I couldn't get any info) It will mainly be used for street riding and exercise. I ride fast and push hard but I don't have immediate plans of taking it to a track. |
I would get a slightly higher garage door opening/ lower car
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Trying to picture how the cranks would look on a white rush. Not a huge fan of really thick chain rings on all bikes.
I'd take a good hard look at the IRD Defiants. Those would have been nice on the Green one, probably look good for the white too. |
i've ridden the miche and andel deluxe (basically the same as all-city's) and liked the andels better. Im riding ird defiant track cranks now, and despite being lower profile, feel the same as the andels.
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Originally Posted by FakeFuji
(Post 14800949)
I would get a slightly higher garage door opening/ lower car
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Dammit fakefuji...
I took the load bars and everything off my car. No more roof racks for me. |
Campagnolo Record Pista (tops out your budget w/o bb)
Miche Primato All City 612 Cinelli Bianca |
I would say andels, you answered your own question with the post. There is no downside to the andels, they aren't rediculusly expensive and they are going to do exactly what you need. If it were my rush I would do black components but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by BigglyPuff
(Post 14800951)
Trying to picture how the cranks would look on a white rush. Not a huge fan of really thick chain rings on all bikes.
I'd take a good hard look at the IRD Defiants. Those would have been nice on the Green one, probably look good for the white too. |
Originally Posted by cruiserhead
(Post 14800972)
Campagnolo Record Pista (tops out your budget w/o bb)
Miche Primato All City 612 Cinelli Bianca
Originally Posted by FakeFuji
(Post 14800975)
I would say andels, you answered your own question with the post. There is no downside to the andels, they aren't rediculusly expensive and they are going to do exactly what you need. If it were my rush I would do black components but that's just me.
Originally Posted by acoustophile
(Post 14800952)
i've ridden the miche and andel deluxe (basically the same as all-city's) and liked the andels better. Im riding ird defiant track cranks now, and despite being lower profile, feel the same as the andels.
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Andel crankarms came equipped with my Soma Hellyer ring. All is well.
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If you're still planning on using those deep-ass carbon rims, I'd go with Andel. IRD would gel better with a more old-school setup.
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Also, I'd go with 50's or 60's rather than 88's for everyday use.
just saiyan. |
Originally Posted by Nagrom_
(Post 14801035)
Also, I'd go with 50's or 60's rather than 88's for everyday use.
just saiyan. |
do you have the rush yet?
one thing to keep in mind is that if you use an external bottom bracket based crankset, like the omniums, then it's critical to ensure the bottom bracket shell is faced properly for the cups to sit squarely in the shell. BB shell width also MUST be within the acceptable tolerance for the extermal BB system you choose. square taper, and other cartridge bottom brackets are more forgiving to minor issues in that regard. that said, out of the choices you mention, i would just get the omniums, i have thousands of foul weather, winter training miles on mine, great crankset. the winter beater: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i-y93LP_Os...0/IMG_0232.jpg |
Originally Posted by AngryScientist
(Post 14801505)
do you have the rush yet?
one thing to keep in mind is that if you use an external bottom bracket based crankset, like the omniums, then it's critical to ensure the bottom bracket shell is faced properly for the cups to sit squarely in the shell. BB shell width also MUST be within the acceptable tolerance for the extermal BB system you choose. square taper, and other cartridge bottom brackets are more forgiving to minor issues in that regard. that said, out of the choices you mention, i would just get the omniums, i have thousands of foul weather, winter training miles on mine, great crankset. the winter beater: sickassdawes.jpg As far as omnom vs andel is concerned, I'm just not sure how much of a difference I'd feel other than being $75 poorer. Since lots of others have recommended andels I'd be tempted to put that extra cash toward a nice headset or pedals. |
Originally Posted by EpicSchwinn
(Post 14801522)
Since lots of others have recommended andels I'd be tempted to put that extra cash toward a nice headset or pedals.
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This is what I heard back from Soma:
I don't know anything about the Andel cranks, but I can tell you that the Rush frame take a 68mm English threaded bb. In general I'm not a fan of outboard bearing bbs for track bikes, because you cannot adjust the chain line and they sometimes have clearance issues. I would recommend the Sugino 75/Messenger, the Soma Hellyer, and the IRD Defiant cranks. All of them use square taper bbs. |
go with the IRD Defiant :) seems to be a decent crankset.
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I think with the modern, deep, carbon wheels you're putting on, a modern looking crankset makes the most sense. I really love the aesthetics of the Affinity and IRD Defiants, but they are not a modern looking crank. I'd push an extra $100 and go Sugino 75.
Isn't the Soma Hellyer just a rebranded Andel Standard crankset? |
I'm confused as to why you needed to contact Soma about BB compatibility. You already know the BB shell is 68mm English-threaded.
You really seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here. Just buy a crankset. |
Originally Posted by ddeadserious
(Post 14802733)
Isn't the Soma Hellyer just a rebranded Andel Standard crankset? |
Originally Posted by ddeadserious
(Post 14802733)
I think with the modern, deep, carbon wheels you're putting on, a modern looking crankset makes the most sense. I really love the aesthetics of the Affinity and IRD Defiants, but they are not a modern looking crank.
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
(Post 14802763)
I'm confused as to why you needed to contact Soma about BB compatibility. You already know the BB shell is 68mm English-threaded.
You really seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here. Just buy a crankset.
Originally Posted by AngryScientist
(Post 14801505)
one thing to keep in mind is that if you use an external bottom bracket based crankset, like the omniums, then it's critical to ensure the bottom bracket shell is faced properly for the cups to sit squarely in the shell. BB shell width also MUST be within the acceptable tolerance for the extermal BB system you choose. square taper, and other cartridge bottom brackets are more forgiving to minor issues in that regard.
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Dude, you owned one. What size BB did you use?
All AngryScientist was saying is that you'll be much better off getting your BB shell faced/chased, as you would with any new frame. |
FWIW I use an external bottom bracket on my Leader and never had it faced. Works fine.
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Originally Posted by seau grateau
(Post 14804994)
FWIW I use an external bottom bracket on my Leader and never had it faced. Works fine.
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Well then. FWIW = 0
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I've had the Affinity cranks, omnoms, and rebranded andels before.
the clearance was extremely tight with omnoms if I remember, as one time I remember it hitting the chainstays on the way home because I hadn't put them back on exactly even. I'd probably get some silver used 75s. my omniums have been awesome on my all city, but I feel like the gxps are a real crap shoot that you'll never know if you're going to be driven insane until after it's too late. Unless you're building this thing up similar to the last one, don't get Affinity cranks imo, they're very vintage looking, but they served me fine the time I had them had old pics of my soma broken down, I'm sure this will tell you nothing. I didn't take it to have it faced but I also never crossthreaded it or messed anything up running an external bb. http://i50.tinypic.com/1zgr36.jpg |
Originally Posted by hamfoh
(Post 14805094)
the clearance was extremely tight with omnoms if I remember, as one time I remember it hitting the chainstays on the way home because I hadn't put them back on exactly even.
Originally Posted by hamfoh
(Post 14805094)
I didn't take it to have it faced but I also never crossthreaded it or messed anything up running an external bb.
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