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ColonelJLloyd 12-21-12 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074379)
Most quill stems these days are found on wal-mart bikes...why is that?

Why do need to keep arguing this? There are lots of different bikes in the world today. Some cheap bikes use threadless and others threaded forks. Some of the most expensive bikes use threadless and others threaded forks. I believe that a threadless system is functionally superior to a threaded one, but 9/10 of my bikes use a quill stem. I also believe it's fine to let function follow form; it's just a bicycle. If the OP's opinion is that threadless systems are ugly (that's a very common opinion of people born before the 80s) then that's fine and we can help him find a nice bike that fits his needs/wants while using a quill stem. That is not asinine, that's preference.

GENESTARWIND 12-21-12 08:59 AM

mihlbach





i dont believe anyone asked you whether sticking to a specific style of headset was asinine or not, or whether it is outdated.

the op also didnt ask if and why he should switch to threadless or 1 1/8th.

so why dont you take your houty touty opinions that arent wanted else where.



long live sexy, outdated and inferior quill stems!

deal with it

mihlbach 12-21-12 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074379)
Most quill stems these days are found on wal-mart bikes...why is that?


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 15074404)
Why do need to keep arguing this?

I asked a question. I didn't pose an argument. I really would like to know the answer to this. The cheapest mass-marked bikes have quills..why is that? It makes no sense to me. Threadless has fewer parts, is mechanically simpler, uses less material, and doesn't require manufacturing of forks with different length steerer tubes, and doesn't require threading. Threadless should be on the cheapest lowest common demoninator bikes.

ColonelJLloyd 12-21-12 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074414)
I asked a question. I didn't pose an argument.

I see. Well I'm not sure it's fact that most quill stems are found on department store bikes, though I suppose it's possible from a pure quantity standpoint. You seem to have the irrational idea that the most superior form of something is the only one that should be used.

You are aware of the common usage of threaded steerer systems on some of the nicest and most expensive hand built bikes being made today, right?

prooftheory 12-21-12 09:08 AM

Veganism is "practical"!

GENESTARWIND 12-21-12 09:11 AM

lol

mihlbach 12-21-12 09:12 AM

I understand that high end bikes come with both, although in that realm, threaded systems are in the vast minority and solely to suit the retro-centric tastes of some buyers. However, manufacturing cost isn't really relevant at that level.

At walmart, manufacturing cost IS the main factor when determining what goes into those bikes. Buyers in that market do not know the difference. It should be cheaper to manufacture bikes with threadless headsets. Which is why I am baffled as to why the main holdout (among new mass manufactured bikes) for threaded systems is among box store bikes.

Scrodzilla 12-21-12 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074379)
Most quill stems these days are found on wal-mart bikes...why is that?

Because Walmart is the future of *******.

Oh, and that's not true. I don't frequent Walmart but have never seen a Nitto Pearl or Cinelli 1A on any of the bikes there.

mihlbach 12-21-12 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by prooftheory (Post 15074437)
Veganism is "practical"!

Not when you have access to free venison!

mihlbach 12-21-12 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 15074458)
Because Walmart is the future of *******.

Considering that most walmart shoppers are poor, obese, and uneducated, you are likely to be correct.

prooftheory 12-21-12 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074472)
Not when you have access to free venison!

Carrots are easier to catch.

ColonelJLloyd 12-21-12 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by mihlbach (Post 15074414)
I really would like to know the answer to this. The cheapest mass-marked bikes have quills..why is that? It makes no sense to me. Threadless has fewer parts, is mechanically simpler, uses less material, and doesn't require manufacturing of forks with different length steerer tubes, and doesn't require threading. Threadless should be on the cheapest lowest common demoninator bikes.

I really don't know. I doubt any large bike company VPs frequent this forum, though, so don't hold your breath for an answer here. We've drifted far enough from the OP's question, I think.

mihlbach 12-21-12 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by prooftheory (Post 15074488)
Carrots are easier to catch.

I grow a lot of those too!

mihlbach 12-21-12 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 15074492)
I really don't know. I doubt any large bike company VPs frequent this forum, though, so don't hold your breath for an answer here. We've drifted far enough from the OP's question, I think.

Agreed.

ColonelJLloyd 12-21-12 09:44 AM

This is pretty slick if you are able to paint, or have a connection to an inexpensive painter or powdercoater. I would think it could be had for less than $300 shipped, though you would have some expense in paint/powder.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...2/IMG_3323.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V...2/IMG_3320.JPG

ColonelJLloyd 12-21-12 09:53 AM

Sexy fork rake on this one.

chicken0207 12-21-12 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 15074571)
This is pretty slick if you are able to paint, or have a connection to an inexpensive painter or powdercoater. I would think it could be had for less than $300 shipped, though you would have some expense in paint/powder.

Thank you for the respons and underailling of my thread , both of those frames are totally awesome, if you find anything else like these looking around fell fre to send it my way. I think my best option will be a good quality old road bike to keep my quill stem cockpit on.

Regards

Chicken

europa 12-21-12 11:55 PM

Thank heavens that unpainted Pinny is too small for me, I've got enough lust items on my plate as it is :crash:

chicken0207 12-21-12 11:56 PM


Originally Posted by europa (Post 15076973)
Thank heavens that unpainted Pinny is too small for me, I've got enough lust items on my plate as it is :crash:

If i haddent suddenly become short on funds it would be getting sent to my house , hopefully i can get my cash flow up in the next couple days

noire 12-24-12 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 15074305)
Dude! Are you really this daft?

The whole "everyone is doing it this way so it must be the best way" argument - when it comes to anything - is ridiculous.

I don't care about "how many bikes at the bike shop have bla bla bla". Most bikes at bike shops have derailleurs too and I honestly don't give half a rat's ass. As I said before, most people comb and cut their hair. Guess who doesn't care? According to television ratings, most people watch "The Real Housewives of (insert major city here) and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo too. Don't care.

FWIW, nobody in that thread is really saying anything bad about quill stems besides carleton, who is always grumpy when it comes to anything he wouldn't use anyway. You need to get over it, man. Some people like classic cars, vintage guitars and being vegan even though there may be more "practical" ways to go about things. It's ok.

Are you the type of clown who would go into a classic muscle car forum and spout off about how '57 Chevys are bad on gas and difficult to find a parking spot for in today's modern world? If somebody wants a quill stem, it's not your duty as an all-knowing bike god to tell them why threadless is "better". Besides, I'm sure we could all find **** about your bikes (or anything else in your life) that we think is stupid.

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noire 12-24-12 08:41 PM

Heya Chicken,

You could grab the kilo stripper http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_STOR20.cgi?Action=Details&ProdID=1681 and this threaded straight chrome fork: http://www.retro-gression.com/produc...ed-chrome-fork totalling under 300. I know you mentioned that Bikeisland didn't have the kilo in your size; make sure you checked the size based on top-tube length from the geo chart. Also, there are a few variations of the kilo on the site, so if they don't have your size in one style, maybe consider one of the other versions.

BoSoxYacht 12-24-12 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by prooftheory (Post 15074488)
Carrots are easier to catch.

Rabbits taste better than carrots

FakeFuji 12-24-12 08:59 PM

That's debatable


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