How to spin smoother?
#51
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Here's what 250+ looks like:
Kevin Mansker. National Champion. Been to Worlds. Handful of National podiums as well. Holds nine total track records at various velodromes (pretty sure Carleton is gonna take a whack at them at Alpenrose, Mansker's original track.)
And this is on a stationary bike.
And this is on a stationary bike.
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1) Being a smoother pedaler starts with a proper saddle height. In short, if your saddle is too high or too short you may bounce.
2) There will be a certain resonance frequency that will cause bouncing...even in trained riders.
3) Shorter cranks help. On 170mm cranks, I bounce around 120RPM, but I'm smooth before and after that. On 165mm cranks, I'm smooth all the way up to 225rpm.
On the road, you don't want to let your bike/cranks get going too fast and get away from you. Stay in control. Use a brake.
2) There will be a certain resonance frequency that will cause bouncing...even in trained riders.
3) Shorter cranks help. On 170mm cranks, I bounce around 120RPM, but I'm smooth before and after that. On 165mm cranks, I'm smooth all the way up to 225rpm.
On the road, you don't want to let your bike/cranks get going too fast and get away from you. Stay in control. Use a brake.
#54
You knew what?
Manskers video shows a sprint at 9-10 seconds. I'm hitting the close to the same cadence over 20-30 seconds (i'm last in the video at 2m20s).
#55
If you really want, I can use quicktime and do a frame by frame calculation.
Last edited by carleton; 04-13-13 at 02:57 AM.
#57
I'd like to see how this spins out with proper saddle position... I'm thinking that things will slow down as those legs will be travelling farther when they are moving with proper range of motion.
In the real world I have got up to 180rpm on descents pushing 82 gear inches and maintained a very smooth cadence and secret for this is not to let the pedals drive your feet but for you to keep driving those pedals with enough power to maintain that cadence and pedal contact as if you back off the ride might get a little bumpy.
I have always run a brake which makes bleeding off speed much easier than trying to resist a crank and drive that has that much kinetic energy and it takes a fairly perfect setup and well developed technique to spin effectively at high rpm.
I always say I spin like a gerbil on crack... now I just do it with a lower gearing.
In the real world I have got up to 180rpm on descents pushing 82 gear inches and maintained a very smooth cadence and secret for this is not to let the pedals drive your feet but for you to keep driving those pedals with enough power to maintain that cadence and pedal contact as if you back off the ride might get a little bumpy.
I have always run a brake which makes bleeding off speed much easier than trying to resist a crank and drive that has that much kinetic energy and it takes a fairly perfect setup and well developed technique to spin effectively at high rpm.
I always say I spin like a gerbil on crack... now I just do it with a lower gearing.
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This reminds me of those guys that come in here and try to brag about their high speed based on a Strava reading. That video doesn't offer any evidence of being able to spin 250 rpm. It's just some bros on stationary rollers playing a game. I like to play video games too, but you don't see me passing that **** off as real life.

Also, you can see your speed in the top right corner, you appear to average 82 km/h. Your total time to 500 meters was 21+ seconds, which confirms your average speed. Your max appears to be around 84 km/h. At these speeds, in a reasonable track gearing of around 94 inches your cadence would be around 190-200. In order to hit 250rpm your speed would need to be around 110 km/h. Which we can clearly see, it is not. The gearing would have to be significantly lower for your estimate to be true.
I can post up the math later if you're interested.

Also, you can see your speed in the top right corner, you appear to average 82 km/h. Your total time to 500 meters was 21+ seconds, which confirms your average speed. Your max appears to be around 84 km/h. At these speeds, in a reasonable track gearing of around 94 inches your cadence would be around 190-200. In order to hit 250rpm your speed would need to be around 110 km/h. Which we can clearly see, it is not. The gearing would have to be significantly lower for your estimate to be true.
I can post up the math later if you're interested.
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Certainly, that's a given. We don't get to choose our bikes or gearing. You'll notice we are wearing regular tennis shoes and street clothing and are not clipped in. Being several beers in probably doesn't help the speed either.
This reminds me of those guys that come in here and try to brag about their high speed based on a Strava reading. That video doesn't offer any evidence of being able to spin 250 rpm. It's just some bros on stationary rollers playing a game. I like to play video games too, but you don't see me passing that **** off as real life.

Also, you can see your speed in the top right corner, you appear to average 82 km/h. Your total time to 500 meters was 21+ seconds, which confirms your average speed. Your max appears to be around 84 km/h. At these speeds, in a reasonable track gearing of around 94 inches your cadence would be around 190-200. In order to hit 250rpm your speed would need to be around 110 km/h. Which we can clearly see, it is not. The gearing would have to be significantly lower for your estimate to be true.
I can post up the math later if you're interested.

Also, you can see your speed in the top right corner, you appear to average 82 km/h. Your total time to 500 meters was 21+ seconds, which confirms your average speed. Your max appears to be around 84 km/h. At these speeds, in a reasonable track gearing of around 94 inches your cadence would be around 190-200. In order to hit 250rpm your speed would need to be around 110 km/h. Which we can clearly see, it is not. The gearing would have to be significantly lower for your estimate to be true.
I can post up the math later if you're interested.
Perhaps the red time was averaging 82 but i'm in blue. If you look at the video i'm clearly hitting 90's and let up a few seconds before the end.
Go look up the results and look at the fastest times:
I'm hitting 18's over 500m on a 47x15 gear; tell me what the cadence is for that. Yes, and please post the math.
Edit - online calculators:
Calculate speed from time - https://www.machinehead-software.co.u...time_calc.html
Calculate cadence from speed - https://www.bikecalc.com/speed_at_cadence
Last edited by xengravity; 04-13-13 at 08:45 AM.
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Now back to the segment you referenced; where you stated you were at or over 250 rpm for "20-30" seconds. Here in reality, you finished the 500 meters in 21.575 seconds.
That's 83.43 km/h.
Given a gearing of 47/15 with 23c tires your average cadence would be 211.645 rpm.
It's hard to tell but it looks like you topped out at 90ish km/h. You just didn't have enough of a lead on the other rider who never topped 85 km/h for us to believe you hit 100 km/h.
Anyone who's interested in the math can find a nice summary here:https://www.tariksaleh.com/bike/geartospeed.pdf
Look up the results? It's a roller race, what results?



Did you get UCI points for your sweet performance?



C'mon bro.
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Gets in their head, yo.
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