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mauiboy81 06-13-13 06:49 PM

I've been riding with no brakes since I got it a couple weeks ago. I ordered the brake for the front and it arrived today and that is when I discovered to problem. I would like to be able to use the front brake. Although i did wonder about the excessive play in the headset. Unless i tighten the cap down to where the steering is stiff it clangs pretty bad.

hopefully they will replace the fork

Scrodzilla 06-13-13 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by mauiboy81 (Post 15740182)
I've been riding with no brakes since I got it a couple weeks ago. I ordered the brake for the front and it arrived today and that is when I discovered to problem. I would like to be able to use the front brake. Although i did wonder about the excessive play in the headset. Unless i tighten the cap down to where the steering is stiff it clangs pretty bad.

hopefully they will replace the fork

It sounds like your headset is missing a piece or something is installed incorrectly. Ask Nagrom what he thinks.

hairnet 06-13-13 06:54 PM

Back to the issue on hand


Originally Posted by mauiboy81 (Post 15740182)
I've been riding with no brakes since I got it a couple weeks ago. I ordered the brake for the front and it arrived today and that is when I discovered to problem. I would like to be able to use the front brake. Although i did wonder about the excessive play in the headset. Unless i tighten the cap down to where the steering is stiff it clangs pretty bad.

hopefully they will replace the fork

You should take apart the headset ad post a picture. Something is missing.

mauiboy81 06-13-13 06:57 PM

Haha, you guys is crazy!

I had the lbs install the headset which is a ritchey Logic Pro scuzzy thing. They seemed confident that they did the right thing. I don't know anymore.... Not that I ever did.

Nagrom_ 06-13-13 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by mauiboy81 (Post 15740218)
Haha, you guys is crazy!

I had the lbs install the headset which is a ritchey Logic Pro scuzzy thing. They seemed confident that they did the right thing. I don't know anymore.... Not that I ever did.

We are.


Just email BikeIsland pictures and ask for a new fork.

Huffandstuff 06-13-13 06:59 PM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323156

But it sounds like you are missing something in that headset as others have said.

mauiboy81 06-13-13 07:00 PM

When I get home I will disassemble it and post a pic.it would be funny if it was missing a piece because they said the original headset was missing a piece before they changed it out.

I emailed BI so hopefully will hear back tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestions everyone.

Vinnems 06-13-13 07:06 PM

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Interesting, OP. I just received my Kilo Team frame, so this piqued my interest. I went and slapped on an old front brake onto the fork and found I would have a similar problem, as the nut and top of the brake sticks out ~1mm. I also slid on an old crown, which further shows there would be an issue. Scope these pics.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323157http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323158
Also, someone mentioned something about the legs being short. Now, I placed my fork with the brake on over my old front wheel and the clearance is fine. Yet, putting the Kilo fork next to my old Peugeot fork, it's noticeably shorter, ~2cm. Now here's a dumb question, but I'm new to this and learning: are forks different sizes for different sized bikes? My Kilo is the 47cm, or 50cm for CtoT. My Peugeot is 56cm (way to big for me, but was free), CtoT. If not, this a quality issue?

TejanoTrackie 06-13-13 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinnems (Post 15740248)
Interesting, OP. I just received my Kilo Team frame, so this piqued my interest. I went and slapped on an old front brake onto the fork and found I would have a similar problem, as the nut and top of the brake sticks out ~1mm. I also slid on an old crown, which further shows there would be an issue. Scope these pics.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323157http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323158
Also, someone mentioned something about the legs being short. Now, I placed my fork with the brake on over my old front wheel and the clearance is fine. Yet, putting the Kilo fork next to my old Peugeot fork, it's noticeably shorter, ~2cm. Now here's a dumb question, but I'm new to this and learning: are forks different sizes for different sized bikes? My Kilo is the 47cm, or 50cm for CtoT. My Peugeot is 56cm (way to big for me, but was free), CtoT. If not, this a quality issue?

Yes, they've drilled the brake bolt hole too high in the fork crown. Either that or the fork crown was machined too far for the fork crown race. So, yes it's a screwup for sure. As to your second question, the fork leg length has nothing whatsoever to do with the frame size. It's determined by the wheel size and tire size and whether you need clearance for a fender or brake. My old Schwinn paramount P14 track bike's fork barely has enough clearance for a skinny tubular tire.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323160

Vinnems 06-13-13 07:45 PM

Cheers, Tejano.
****, I don't know if I want to deal with sending this back to Bike Island or if I should just file down the nut that ~1mm and call it a day. I'll email him an see what the deal is.

Dannihilator 06-13-13 07:49 PM

On second thought, cleaned up.

Nagrom_ 06-13-13 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Vinnems (Post 15740359)
Cheers, Tejano.
****, I don't know if I want to deal with sending this back to Bike Island or if I should just file down the nut that ~1mm and call it a day. I'll email him an see what the deal is.

I'd file it down, personally. Doesn't look like much material needs to be removed.

FakeFuji 06-13-13 08:13 PM

Fwiw I emailed bikes direct about a fork issue on my kilo, and forwarded the email confirmation and a picture of what was wrong and I had a replacement in three days. People can say their quality is crap but noone posts when they get their bike and its perfect, they just put up a picture. I have bought two bikes from them in the past and probably will in the future. Some people in this thread feel the need to bash them, however you could call them biased because they own a boutique bike shop catered to people building their own high end fixed gear bikes.

Boutique NounA small store selling fashionable clothes or accessories.
A business that serves a sophisticated or specialized clientele: "a small investment boutique"; "a boutique film".

Vinnems 06-13-13 08:31 PM

Sent them an email to see what my options are here.
FakeFuji, I'm with you. It's unfortunate me and the OP's bikes had these issues, but I don't have it out for BD. I bought one of their Windsor Oxford cruisers quite a few years ago and road it hard and put it away wet and even to this day it still runs and looks like a champ. Had no issues at all with it straight from the box, and it worked just as well as the Linus bikes I tried out, which are the exact same thing it seems.
They make decent stuff. Plus the Kilo series is one of the few steel frames out there that has a top tube length that works for me.

TejanoTrackie 06-13-13 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Vinnems (Post 15740519)
They make decent stuff.

They don't make anything. They have factories in China and Taiwan make generic products that they label with their branding. The Kilo TT is just a rebranded KHS Flite 100 that is sold direct for under MSRP. They do absolutely no QC on them, which is why quality is spotty. I have two of their bikes, a Motobecane Messenger made in China and a Kilo WT made in Taiwan. Both had quality problems that I chose to fix myself because I have the tools and knowledge, but otherwise would have cost me if I'd taken them to a LBS to get fixed.

Scrodzilla 06-13-13 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by Vinnems (Post 15740248)

:lol:

It's nice to solidify the fact that this issue is just an isolated "minor inconvenience".

Scrodzilla 06-13-13 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by FakeFuji (Post 15740458)
Some people in this thread feel the need to bash them, however you could call them biased because they own a boutique bike shop catered to people building their own high end fixed gear bikes.

Boutique NounA small store selling fashionable clothes or accessories.
A business that serves a sophisticated or specialized clientele: "a small investment boutique"; "a boutique film".

If this is aimed at me and how my business operates, you couldn't be more wrong and there are plenty of people here who can attest to that - one being Nagrom himself (regardless of how pissed he is at me for the moment).

When you own a business that strives to do right by it's customers to begin with instead of "making it up to them" when things go wrong, maybe you'll understand.

Nagrom_ 06-13-13 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 15740757)
If this is aimed at me and how my business operates, you couldn't be more wrong and there are plenty of people here who can attest to that - one being Nagrom himself (regardless of how pissed he is at me for the moment).

When you own a business that strives to do right by it's customers to begin with instead of "making it up to them" when things go wrong, maybe you'll understand.

I'm not pissed at all.

http://i.imgur.com/FzM8XQF.png


Are we besties again?

Scrodzilla 06-13-13 10:03 PM

Dude, sometimes friends fight. We're all good.

Nagrom_ 06-13-13 10:05 PM

Schweet.

It's always worth the makeup sex anyway.

Scrodzilla 06-13-13 10:07 PM

That's what Katarina said too.

Oh snap.

Nagrom_ 06-13-13 10:09 PM

Tell Angie she's on the couch with the cat tonight.

I be over at 12. Pacific.

hairnet 06-13-13 10:34 PM

It's getting hot in here.

gregjones 06-14-13 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Nagrom_ (Post 15740772)
I'm not pissed at all.

http://i.imgur.com/FzM8XQF.png

I am.

Dang, faint small print. My old ass eyes didn't see that.

I thought I had been buying boutique stuff.:p

mauiboy81 06-17-13 10:23 AM

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This is the headset: http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=323810 can you see it well enough to tell if its missing something?

I emailed BI and they sent me out a new fork. It came today so I'm stoked. They made it right and all is well. The brake will clear the crown race on the new one.


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