Looking to build up a tourer/distance fixed bike since the kilo is becoming a track bike and the leader is not a possible conversion. I'm looking for at least one bottle mount though two wouldn't hurt, more road geo and rear rack/full brake set up and 120 spacing since I don't want to have an odd man out on my wheelsets in case I ever upgrade.

So far here are the only things I'm considering, the Surly is the main choice even though it's not really good for a rear rack.

On-One Pompino

Surly Steamroller

All-city Natureboy

So are there any other options I'm missing out on?

What about the Surly Cross Check? Technically it's a cross bike but so is the Nature Boy. The Cross Check has all of the braze ons for two bottle, front and rear rack and fenders

I vote Surly! I love mine such a comfortable ride and can be set up to be anything you want. I love it so much my first geared bike is definitely going to be a Cross Check.

Love the Cross Check, so versatile.

Cross Check is 130mm spacing so it puts it out of the question since if I like the track enough I'll buy a new track wheelset and use the H+sons on this new build. Plus, if I'm getting a Surly, I'll just go for the Steamroller.

Kilo TT WT. 120mm rear and double braze-ons. Seems like they are out of stock except for a 49cm, though.


Well someone had to say Kilo TT

I know you said frame set but the Kilo WT wouldn't be a bad option to look at either. It's like a Steamroller clone, you could get some spare parts bin stuff out of the deal if you already have some components. Just another option, im Steamroller all the way though.

Traitor Cutlass

Damn, I forgot about that. +1 my good friend.

Is it wrong to own a KiloTT and then a KiloTT WT?

i'd pick a crosscheck and space your wheels out to 130mm.

Seems like a natural progression to me. At any rate, N+1 absolves you of owning even nearly identical bikes.

This is the most backwards reasoning I've ever heard. You're going to end up with one bike that serves two purposes badly.

Why would I want a 130 spacing when I have absolutely zero desire to ride a geared bike?

Why would you not want it?

Late arriving, but what about a Wabi? https://www.wabicycles.com/bike_main_pg2011.html

Specifically designed with long distance cruising in mind.

I've been looking hard at Wabi, I need a new second bike. I own both a Steamroller and a Kilo. The Kilo is my current commuter bike. The Steamroller is undergoing a repaint and rebuild, that will probably keep it off the road for a couple of months, since I have limited time available. I enjoy riding the Steamroller far more than the Kilo.

If you use a geared 29er disc rear wheel,you can run it geared,single speed,or flip it and use a bolt on cog for fixed use.

Because there's a frame well suited to your needs that that comes with 130. The spacers aren't that big and you won't notice them. The frame is steel and can be cold set quite easily.
130 spacing - not an issue

Fine fine, just gonna keep my eye out on CL for a crosscheck or wait for a kilo wt, the 400 dollar price point kind of has me sold.