getting the ultegra cranks too?

Sooner or later. Of course, Probikekit has them for $150. If I could get my Performance to match that plus give me the 15% off, sooner for sure.

Voltair......are you switching from a compact to a standard double?

I want to give it a shot anyway. I don't like the Truvativ rings too much and haven't heard too many good things about the GXP bottom bracket. I figure if I really don't like the double, I could always get the Shimano compact down the road.

I never said I was smart.

You're brave or you're getting stronger...:D

Strangely, I've felt like I've become a weaker rider since riding a 50/36 versus my old 52/42/30 where I never used the 30t ring. I find I end up putting myself in 36x25 more often that I need to just because it's there.

I could say his compact crank is making him feel inadequate, but I won't :D

So are you looking at a 42 or 39 for a small ring on the standard?

53/39. From the gear charts, if I keep my same cassette, I'm basically losing my lowest gear in exchange for a better(?) BB and crankset.

That's perfect! :lol:

What's wrong with lower gears? :( I like my 34/27 gear, and I intend to keep using it lots even when I don't have to. Riding big gears is hard work. :(

The problem with lower gears is that when you're riding in a group, and the rest of the group has a 39/25 and you're spinning a 34/25, they're going 1 - 1.5 mph faster than you.

Not saying that's a problem for everybody, just for people that want to keep up with the faster, higher-geared people.

That or you have to spin a 15% higher cadence in order to put out the same speed in a 15% lower gear. So if the rest of the group is happy to climb a particular stretch at 60 RPM in their low gear, you get to cruise at 70 RPM at the same speed.

....or you can spin 34/23 and you'll be pretty much even with the 39/25 guys...:D

My compact comes with a 36t small ring.

And my legs don't like the spinny.

Neither do mine.

Then have you tried tighter cassettes? .....12-23, for instance?

Not yet. Why spend $60 when I can spend $200?

Wait, that doesn't sound right.

Hmmmmm. :D

Yes it does...your my hero!!

Hey, maybe that's my problem!!! :p

the spinny********** :p yes, I know what you meant... just a new term for me over here ;)

... that's definately my philosophy! :rolleyes: everybody... shhhhhh....

To the 'just spin faster' boyz...what if the people you're with are spinning just as fast as you?

Then you'd better spin even faster or upshift--while maintaining cadence!--if you plan to keep up. Of course, if you can't do either, then you're getting dropped regardless of your gearing selection.