toobspunk

Thanks SAPD!

New bikes from Corona out here, I would imagine our bikes that were stolen out here were probably sold out there.

bon_gabs

I agree,,looks like they caught a wrong thieves..

Tom Stormcrowe

9k, maybe you should contact Det Miller with your concerns and see what you all can do together to make SART safer.

snowman40

By society, do you mean ACLU? I'm pretty sure that most (>51%) of law abiding citizens would be all for this as those that obey the law are hurt most.

Dunbar

If convicted these guys will be serving many years in prison. Armed robbery isn't one of those offenses where the courts give a slap on the wrist and some community service. Even if they take a plea and get early parol they'll still serve a few years behind bars.

Pamestique 

Not true unfortunately here in CA they will likely serve little prison time due to the overcrowding issue. The system has recently started releasing murders early...

So bottom line - there is little deterent for thieves... ride aware...

jeepseahawk

Armed Robbery is an aggravated felony, these guys will see prison. Robbery is high on the totem pole in regards to felonies, plus assault with a deadly weapon, something will stick. I thought I read somewhere one of these losers brandished a gun plus threw a bike at him.

Rumpled

Armed robbery even with enhancements usually gets something like 2-4 years. Probably serve even less now.

socalrider

weren't each victim beaten up too.. that is assault and battery and there was pre-meditation involved so hopefully they hit them with more than just stolen property.

3dognutz

Glad to hear the lowlife thugs were caught. Unfortunately even though these street rats are caught, I will still have to keep my guard up at all times. Sad, just by having some recreational escape from daily stress, we still are not safe by any means.
Thank you SAPD for at least taking a small chunk out of a big elephant.

RVD72

While this topic totally sucks and makes me reconsider my commute every night going home on the Ballona Creek Trail (which used to have these same problems), I have to say that I haven't laughed as hard as I did reading the 2 quotes above in a really long time.

Heck, it's about 10 minutes later and re-reading those 2 quotes still cracks me up. Hilarious.

rekmeyata

If they beat up a teller and rob a bank they'll get 20 years, if they beat up a cyclist and rob him of his bike they'll get 90 days to a year. That's fair don't you think?

We had child molester in our neighborhood when we lived in California that got 5 years, of which he served 3 weeks. We also had a man who stomped to death a cat in the same neighborhood and he got 7 years, of which he served 1 year. I guess that shows you how important we are to be protected by the law. So carry a cat with you on your bike, then when you get robbed you kill the cat and say the robbers killed the cat. If that molester had molested my child he wouldn't be alive today.

We've released a lot of murderers over the years only to have them go out and kill again. I don't understand why these people aren't simply put to death and put to death quickly without all the BS, they killed so they need to be killed.

https://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html And this is just a short list! Isn't the short list of 65 65 to many? Will our justice system ever learn? And the list of sexual offenders that got released and ***** again is huge.

RVD72

while i agree, we are already #1 in terms of incarceration per capita...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rceration_rate

is there another solution?

death penalty? although china is #1 by a mile, we're still in the top 10 (maybe top 5?).

rekmeyata

Problem is America is psycho, one minute they execute someone for murder and the next their letting a murderer go free. We need to be consistent. We also need to show murderers and ******* and child molesters the fast route to the end of their natural life instead of dragging out court crap for years and years.

So what if we're number 5 or 4 or 3 or even 1 in the world for executions? With freedom comes responsibility, if you can't handle being a responsible when free then we should be responsible for taking that freedom away. China, and other countries take punishment too far, I don't believe if a wife is having an affair it's ok to chop her head off. But if a person cold bloodily kills another, or rapes, or molests a kid then that person should die for their sin. At the very least in the case of **** and molestation the guy looses the tool he needs to perform the deed. Only problem with **** is there are women who could scream **** for the sheer evil of knowing the guy is going to pay when in fact it was consensual. So **** would have to be done in such a way that it involved serious physical beating so it could be proven without a shadow of a doubt. And molesting or raping a child, then the molesters tool needs to be removed, or put the person in with the main population of the prison and let the inmates take care of him.

RVD72

i'm no lawyer (nor do i ever want to be) but with criminal defense lawyers pretty much at the top of the heap when it comes to making money, it seems like there are a lot of well paid people out there to come up with a defense for pretty much every situation (including those you mention). if there's physical evidence, then someone planted it. if there's video and eyewitness testimony, then the person was insane when he/she did it. etc.

in these cases where the majority of these attacks happen at night (yeah i know this thread was at 2:30pm on a saturday), it's hard to get any kind of really clear evidence. it's night so you can't really see them very well, nobody has video footage but even so, it's still dark so they can argue that it's not me but another guy with the same race, etc. i'm in favor of the death penalty but i don't think as many cases are 100% cut and dry as we think they are.

i think maybe bikes equipped with lojack might help bring down some of these guys. of course they'll just claim that they bought the bike or found the bike, etc.

rekmeyata

If a "murderer" is found guilty with solid evidence and proof, and not circumstantial, then the person should be put to death. There is always the danger of a person being framed then executed for something he didn't do, but the likely hood of that is extremely slim to none; but you can't let 100,000 murderers live because of one potentially innocent person. That's like saying we should never go to war because an innocent person may die. We live in a imperfect world and mistakes do and can happen. Don't want to sound cold hearted, but if a person is a murderer they need to die no if's and's or but's.

CommuteCommando

I'm Mexican, and I can tell you I didn't do it.

rekmeyata

So if you didn't do that, then what did you do?

himespau 

I'm white, but I didn't do it either. Now we just have to get the other 7,000,000,000 people in the world to log in and say whether or not they did it two (and their race/ethnicity just for fun) and we can solve this sucker.

volosong

Can we stay on topic? We've been warned twice now. I doubt we'll get another warning.

Jan Feetz

Bottom line: Its going to happen again.

edukaycheon

I forget where I saw it, but someone posted a sketchy Craigslist ad selling a "Trek Madrone" in Lawndale. I decided to email the guy, and he just emailed me these pictures of the bike. Anyone recognize the bike?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/5518190...7629306715163/

two pictures of the bike I uploaded from my email

CommuteCommando

What did I do?

First, a response to the original post. I have been reading this thread, but first heard about the incident on the website of the club the victim belongs to, and that I have ridden with. They are a pretty good bunch, and I like riding with them. This issue strikes close to home because I often ride those river bike trails, and have found myself alone at times.

I don't normally reply to trolls, but I will, once. I have seen racially insensitive comments like the one I originally quoted, and some saying that the problem is softness on illegals, or presuming that because the assailants were brown, they were illegal..

Were the assailants Mexican? Given the neighborhood the incident occurred in, possibly. They could have also been Asian, since that area has large Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Korean communities. There are also ethnically centered gangs in the area, including Hispanic ones, and in that area most of those are Mexican.

Last Saturday I was riding down the San Luis Rey bike trail, about forty miles south of the Santa Ana trail where the incident at the top of the thread occurred. I was keeping pace at about twenty mph with an African American cyclist in a USMC jersey about fifty feet ahead of me. He went to pass a couple of large white youths on beach cruisers hogging the entire path. He may have called "on your left", but I was too far back to hear. I did see one of them stick his arm straight out in a Nazi salute and shout "aufwiedersein" about the time I blew past.

Ethnic gangs come in all colors.

I suspect their hateful salute was delivered to someone who had been in Afghanistan defending their right to do so. (this trail runs along the southern edge of the countries largest Marine base).

As to your question What did I do? Let me go back a few generations. My fathers parents came here from Chihuahua in the 1920's. Were they legal or illegal? I don't know. The Santa Fe railroad was hiring Mexicans, and lots of them, so they came. They probably came legally, since it was easier to do so back then. My mothers family had been in New Mexico and Arizona long enough to call the gringos immigrants.

My grandfather, with an education that ended with the ability to read and write in Spanish, as was typical for his generation, insisted that his sons, my dad and his brothers (all born in Los Angeles), get high school educations. Of those sons, one was a career law enforcement officer, another retired a Senior Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy, a third, my dad, was a journeyman pipe fitter who helped build the power plants at San Onofre and Diablo Canyon. One of those sons (the second born) was killed by a German artillery barrage at a place called the Ardennes Forrest fighting for your right to be a troll. My generation includes three engineers (including me), two lawyers, a magazine editor, two building contractors, and a law enforcement officer.

I am now unsubscribing to this thread.

toobspunk

Mods...this thread has been derailed...it is an important thread though...please close this thread to new posts.

Mos6502

I'm just curious what would be the best way to handle such a situation. My instinct, if I were to see some people standing on the path would be to slow down. But maybe that would be a bad idea, on the other hand maybe doing so would keep them from effectively surprising you by throwing something out in front of you suddenly.

You can't exactly turn around and go the other way every time you somebody suspicious on a trail can you?