Ultegra Di2 long cage retrofit
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Ultegra Di2 long cage retrofit
Finalizing the specs on a new Calfee Dragonfly. Group is going to be Dura Ace Di2, with the exception of an Ultegra 6870 GS rear derailuer.
The reason for the Ultegra RD is to get a larger rear cog capability. My question is whether to go with the K edge long cage modification, which takes the capacity from a 32 maximum rear cog to 36 max.
For context, we're going to set the bike up with 2 swappable gearing arrangements. Normal setup for flat to rolling terrain will be 53/39 with an 11-25. The mountain setup will be a 50/34 (interchangeable Lightning spider) with either an 11-32, or an 11-36. The 36 would be nice to have for really hard climbs, but we don't absolutely need it.
So the question becomes whether the long cage retrofit will hurt the crispness, speed,or accuracy of the shifting. If so, we'll skip the retrofit, if not we'll get it to add flexibility.
The reason for the Ultegra RD is to get a larger rear cog capability. My question is whether to go with the K edge long cage modification, which takes the capacity from a 32 maximum rear cog to 36 max.
For context, we're going to set the bike up with 2 swappable gearing arrangements. Normal setup for flat to rolling terrain will be 53/39 with an 11-25. The mountain setup will be a 50/34 (interchangeable Lightning spider) with either an 11-32, or an 11-36. The 36 would be nice to have for really hard climbs, but we don't absolutely need it.
So the question becomes whether the long cage retrofit will hurt the crispness, speed,or accuracy of the shifting. If so, we'll skip the retrofit, if not we'll get it to add flexibility.
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From all reports, the K-Edge mod has no detrimental effect on shifting. Mark (akexpress) can chime in here regarding the K-Edge. It may also be on our future to-do list, should we opt for the Lightning cranks and a compact (or super-compact 52/34) setup. I really do like the Praxis rings now on my single (better shifting than Shimano 9000 IMO), so I would try mixing their 52 with a 34 chainring to stretch the range. We have had zero issues with the 11spd Di2 shifting combined with a set of 48/30 Stronglight rings.
On our current Calfee, the Ultegra Di2 RD (6870) "mid-cage" GS handles a 11-32 cassette very well, and that is within spec. However it does seem to be near at the limit for cog size as the B-screw did need to be used to move the top jockey wheel back to clear the 32t cog. In the default setup, I can't see this RD clearing anything bigger without some form of modification like the K-Edge cage.
On our current Calfee, the Ultegra Di2 RD (6870) "mid-cage" GS handles a 11-32 cassette very well, and that is within spec. However it does seem to be near at the limit for cog size as the B-screw did need to be used to move the top jockey wheel back to clear the 32t cog. In the default setup, I can't see this RD clearing anything bigger without some form of modification like the K-Edge cage.
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Finalizing the specs on a new Calfee Dragonfly. Group is going to be Dura Ace Di2, with the exception of an Ultegra 6870 GS rear derailuer.
The reason for the Ultegra RD is to get a larger rear cog capability. My question is whether to go with the K edge long cage modification, which takes the capacity from a 32 maximum rear cog to 36 max.
For context, we're going to set the bike up with 2 swappable gearing arrangements. Normal setup for flat to rolling terrain will be 53/39 with an 11-25. The mountain setup will be a 50/34 (interchangeable Lightning spider) with either an 11-32, or an 11-36. The 36 would be nice to have for really hard climbs, but we don't absolutely need it.
So the question becomes whether the long cage retrofit will hurt the crispness, speed,or accuracy of the shifting. If so, we'll skip the retrofit, if not we'll get it to add flexibility.
The reason for the Ultegra RD is to get a larger rear cog capability. My question is whether to go with the K edge long cage modification, which takes the capacity from a 32 maximum rear cog to 36 max.
For context, we're going to set the bike up with 2 swappable gearing arrangements. Normal setup for flat to rolling terrain will be 53/39 with an 11-25. The mountain setup will be a 50/34 (interchangeable Lightning spider) with either an 11-32, or an 11-36. The 36 would be nice to have for really hard climbs, but we don't absolutely need it.
So the question becomes whether the long cage retrofit will hurt the crispness, speed,or accuracy of the shifting. If so, we'll skip the retrofit, if not we'll get it to add flexibility.
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Kind of interesting the 11-36 cassette 11 speed I know of only one mfr. IRD producting a 11 speed in this combination also a 11-34, so is this a 10 speed cassette. Our Macchiato Dura Ace di2 with a short cage has no problem handling a 11 speed 11-32 cassette with either a mid-compact 52-36 or a compact 50-34 chain ring & able to run a cross chain with no problem, without having to do funky B screw adjustments. I really would think the new di2 mid-cage ulterga would be able to handle a 36 tooth lower ring. As far as running a 52-34 combo I did quite a bit of experimenting last summer with this combination, i'm here to tell you it was funky shifting up or down, it was just plain clunky I could'nt live with it, so I threw the 50 tooth chain ring on with the 34 and it worked like it was designed.
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Actually there are least two manufactures making 11 speed 11-36 cassettes. Sram and Santana. Santana did a run of these cassettes before Sram's came out and we are running them on our wheels. It shifts great as it was supposedly built on Shimano blue prints specs. I do not have any experience with the Sram cassette. I do not think even with a funky b screw a 36 cassette will work with a GS cage. The K-edge moves the upper jockey wheel down and back so it shifts very well.
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