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Spoke recommendations
Hi All,
We have a Cannondale RT3000 (2002 model I think) with Edco competition hubs and Mavic T519 rims.
We just got back from a Bicycle South Australia tour on which we broke 4 drive side spokes in 4 days doing about 370km (230mi). We had broken 2 spokes in the previous 4 years. They are DT spokes but I am not sure which type.
We have only gone 3700km on the bike in 4 years as we only use it for tours. Combined weight of my wife and I is about 125kg (275lbs) and the most we ever put on it is a day pack of about 10kg (22lbs)
I guess it is time for a wheel rebuild as the tension must be off on some of the spokes and was wondering if anyone could recommend which spokes we should use as replacements.
A guy on the ride who works at Abbotsford cycles in Melbourne recommended DT Alpine III spokes as what they use whenever they get a serial spoke breaker.
Any suggestions?
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We have a Cannondale RT3000 (2002 model I think) with Edco competition hubs and Mavic T519 rims.
We just got back from a Bicycle South Australia tour on which we broke 4 drive side spokes in 4 days doing about 370km (230mi). We had broken 2 spokes in the previous 4 years. They are DT spokes but I am not sure which type.
We have only gone 3700km on the bike in 4 years as we only use it for tours. Combined weight of my wife and I is about 125kg (275lbs) and the most we ever put on it is a day pack of about 10kg (22lbs)
I guess it is time for a wheel rebuild as the tension must be off on some of the spokes and was wondering if anyone could recommend which spokes we should use as replacements.
A guy on the ride who works at Abbotsford cycles in Melbourne recommended DT Alpine III spokes as what they use whenever they get a serial spoke breaker.
Any suggestions?
Cheers
A
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Originally Posted by AdelaideTandem
Any suggestions?
- Don't use the triple-butted Alpine III's; the heads are VERY fat and often times get overly distressed at the spoke hole during the initial wheel build. A lot of folks -- myself included -- thought the Alpine III's would be a tandem wheel builder's dream; however, that was not the case as already described.
- Do use double-butted spokes.
- Do make sure your wheel builder knows how to build a very high-tension wheel that is checked with a tensionometer before and after distressing the wheel.
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Originally Posted by TandemGeek
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- Don't use the triple-butted Alpine III's; the heads are VERY fat and often times get overly distressed at the spoke hole during the initial wheel build. A lot of folks -- myself included -- thought the Alpine III's would be a tandem wheel builder's dream; however, that was not the case as already described.
- Do use double-butted spokes.
- Do make sure your wheel builder knows how to build a very high-tension wheel that is checked with a tensionometer before and after distressing the wheel.
- Don't use the triple-butted Alpine III's; the heads are VERY fat and often times get overly distressed at the spoke hole during the initial wheel build. A lot of folks -- myself included -- thought the Alpine III's would be a tandem wheel builder's dream; however, that was not the case as already described.
- Do use double-butted spokes.
- Do make sure your wheel builder knows how to build a very high-tension wheel that is checked with a tensionometer before and after distressing the wheel.
I'd add that it may be worth considering thinner double-butted non-drive spokes as they will be less likely to go slack even though they have less tension than the drive side. The reason is that they have to elongate more than a thicker spoke to provide the tension, so the displacement required to make them slacken is greater than for a thicker spoke.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
I'd add that it may be worth considering thinner double-butted non-drive spokes as they will be less likely to go slack even though they have less tension than the drive side. .
The exception may be on certain disc equiped tandems that re-use single MTB disc hub bodies vs tandem-specific hubs that maintain the non-dished rear wheel design, even at the expense of steeper bracing angles.
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Originally Posted by TandemGeek
FWIW, most tandems with 145mm - 160mm rear spacing use symetrically-laced rear wheels, which is to say that they have equal static tension on left and right side rear spokes.
The exception may be on certain disc equiped tandems that re-use single MTB disc hub bodies vs tandem-specific hubs that maintain the non-dished rear wheel design, even at the expense of steeper bracing angles.
The exception may be on certain disc equiped tandems that re-use single MTB disc hub bodies vs tandem-specific hubs that maintain the non-dished rear wheel design, even at the expense of steeper bracing angles.
So any guesses as to why the OP is busting drive-side spokes?
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
So any guesses as to why the OP is busting drive-side spokes?
Rule of thumb: One spoke breaks, no big deal. Second spoke breaks shortly there after rebuild the wheel. Given their touring scenario, the latter was not necessarily an option. Moreover, if the spoke breakage occurs after a really hard "hit", suspect rim damage as well.
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Thanks for all the advice, it is very helpful, particularly the Alpine III opinions.
The fix for the first (and later second) spoke breakage was done at the bike shop where we bought it but they are a big place with lots of staff and I have no idea who would have repaired it.
Although neither were a field repair it is likely that TandemGeek is correct and the rest of the spokes weren't checked for tension (I didn't even know to ask but I will now). I will also use TG's 2 spoke rule of thumb.
I had a good look at the rim and there aren't any visible signs of cracks or dents. Are there any other signs that I should be looking for?
As far as spokes go, does anyone have any opinions on the other DT spokes like the competition or the champion? The reason I am so fixated on the DT spokes currently is just due to availability.
Now if I can just find a good wheel builder in Adelaide....
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The fix for the first (and later second) spoke breakage was done at the bike shop where we bought it but they are a big place with lots of staff and I have no idea who would have repaired it.
Although neither were a field repair it is likely that TandemGeek is correct and the rest of the spokes weren't checked for tension (I didn't even know to ask but I will now). I will also use TG's 2 spoke rule of thumb.
I had a good look at the rim and there aren't any visible signs of cracks or dents. Are there any other signs that I should be looking for?
As far as spokes go, does anyone have any opinions on the other DT spokes like the competition or the champion? The reason I am so fixated on the DT spokes currently is just due to availability.
Now if I can just find a good wheel builder in Adelaide....
Thanks
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Originally Posted by AdelaideTandem
I had a good look at the rim and there aren't any visible signs of cracks or dents. Are there any other signs that I should be looking for? .... As far as spokes go, does anyone have any opinions
As for the spokes, you'd want to use the double-butted DT Competition or SuperComp, not the straight gauge Champion.
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Originally Posted by AdelaideTandem
Although neither were a field repair it is likely that TandemGeek is correct and the rest of the spokes weren't checked for tension (I didn't even know to ask but I will now). I will also use TG's 2 spoke rule of thumb.
If you get the tensions regular, and the rim turns out to be true, your wheel might have some real life left in it. Make sure the wheel is stress-relieved with a lot of force. That will likey expose any fatigued spokes by snapping them at the bend (wear gloves and safety glasses if you're doing it yourself).
To be conservative, the wheel probably does need a rebuild though. Being frugal like I am, I'd keep the current wheel alive as long as it remains reasonably dependable (which may be long past )
Originally Posted by AdelaideTandem
As far as spokes go, does anyone have any opinions on the other DT spokes like the competition or the champion? The reason I am so fixated on the DT spokes currently is just due to availability.
It actually makes a stronger wheel to have a thinner middle section for your spokes since they elongate more to reach tension, so they lose less tension when the rim displaces. You don't want them so thin that they wind up during wheel maintenance.