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Old 05-15-17, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BBassett
...A bicycle with a 750w electric motor that can't exceed 28 mph., on motor power only, is classified a bicycle, not a motor vehicle, not a power assisted vehicle, but a bicycle. That means anywhere a bike is allowed to ride, so am I.
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Check your state and local laws. Every state has different laws. Some communities that maintain their own bike paths have ordinances that may vary from ordinances in other communities.

I am not 100 percent certain on this but I think in my neck of the woods you would only be legal if you are not using any power if you are on a bike path. But I have had lots of people coast uphill past me when I was slowly pedaling uphill on a bike path that was posted no motorized vehicles allowed, and an electric motor is a motor. Coasting uphill, they were clearly using electric power only, thus illegal.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
Check your state and local laws. Every state has different laws. Some communities that maintain their own bike paths have ordinances that may vary from ordinances in other communities.

I am not 100 percent certain on this but I think in my neck of the woods you would only be legal if you are not using any power if you are on a bike path. But I have had lots of people coast uphill past me when I was slowly pedaling uphill on a bike path that was posted no motorized vehicles allowed, and an electric motor is a motor. Coasting uphill, they were clearly using electric power only, thus illegal.
Yeah, and in Europe, you can only walk an ebike so they don't go too fast. Hence the tiny motors. What's the point? Once again, I prefer the Federal definition and have shown it to many park rangers that have let me ride where ever bikes themselves weren't verboten. Did you pout when they rode right past you? Some of the best riding I have ever done has been right past, under more accurately, "road closed" barriers at National Monuments and Forests. No one seems to care but the kiddies that don't have one to ride themselves. Sorry. Well, no, not really.
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In many European countries, e-bikes, mopeds and small motorcycles share the bike paths with pedal powered cyclists. During our travels we have never had an issue with this arrangement.

If e-bikes get more people into biking, regardless of what you call it, it will be better for everyone. If there is more demand for better bike lanes, paths and laws, the more people riding "bikes" the more likely things will happen. I'm more than willing to share the road, path, or trail with any responsible rider. We are not enemies!

Happy Feet might like this one. While riding through BC a few years ago, we stopped in Agassiz for lunch. There was a motorcyclist also eating lunch at the cafe, and asked about what we were up to and we chatted with us for awhile. When we got up to pay for our meals, the server said it was not necessary, because the guy on the motorcycle had already paid for them She knew the guy so we gave her one of our "Angle of the Road cards to give to him.

Dale, this might look familiar to you.



However, I did have to admit that I swallowed hard while reading a post the other day, when an old guy was bragging about how he blew by a bunch of teenagers riding up a hill while he was on his e-bike.

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Old 05-15-17, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug64
I still don't get it. If e-assist is the same as a 27 speed, why not just get a 27 speed bike; it is cheaper

IIRC from physics 201 that it takes X amount of work to get an object up an incline. If it takes X amount of watts, it really does not matter if you are on a single speed or have 27 gears, the amount of work is the same. How that work is accomplished is what varies between a geared bike and a SS. The geared bike requires many more revolutions for a given distance than a SS, and is usually slower; meaning that less work is applied for a longer period of time to cover the same distance.

I believe it would be analogous to moving 2 piles of flour, each pile containing 200 pounds of flour. One pile of flour is packaged in 20 lb. bags(27 gears) and the other is packaged in 50 pound bags (SS). One pile could be loaded into the truck with 10 trips; the other pile could be loaded using only 4 trips. The amount of work is the same.

In your example of the 30 km assist on a 100 km trip tells me that the e-assist reduced the amount of work by 30%. This is what I don't get about your statement.

I still don't care what folks ride. I have a friend who rides an e-bike, and I am happy to see him out there with a big smile on his face.
OK, English is not my mother tongue, so I am probably saying what I want to say weird/backwards.?

My E-Assist using motor only will only go 30Km per charge, so the most it will assist me is 30Km out of every 100Km per day that I do... So I actually do 30% less work compared to riding my bike normally, that is a given.

What I am trying to say is that 27 gears are an assist for going up hills and my 350 watt E motor has about the same effect, allowing me to make the hill easier, just like the gearing. It doesn't have enough power to go like a motorbike, I Have to pedal and pedal hard. The actual distance the assist is able to assist me is much less in reality because that 30Km number is figured out on normal roads, on a long 1Km hill I could actually use 5Km of power, so six 1Km long hills could use up 30Km worth of normal roads worth of "assist"...
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Originally Posted by Doug64
In many European countries, e-bikes, mopeds and small motorcycles share the bike paths with pedal powered cyclists. During our travels we have never had an issue with this arrangement.

If e-bikes get more people into biking, regardless of what you call it, it will be better for everyone. If there is more demand for better bike lanes, paths and laws, the more people riding "bikes" the more likely things will happen. I'm more than willing to share the road, path, or trail with any responsible rider.



However, I did have to swallow hard while reading a post the other day, when an old guy was bragging about how he blew by a bunch of teenagers riding up a hill while he was on his e-bike.
I watched a video a few weeks ago of a guy on an e-bike climbing Mont Ventoux. He kept passing cyclists and saying to himself on camera "I haven't been passed yet!" However, he was passed by numerous cars and motorcycles on the way up. Dude, you were passed many so many times I couldn't keep count. The fact that a bicycle didn't pass him seemed to be all that mattered. It was pathetic. So he climbed Mont Ventoux at the pace of a TDF pro. On a motorbike. Whoop! Whoop!
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Originally Posted by Doug64
However, I did have to swallow hard while reading a post the other day, when an old guy was bragging about how he blew by a bunch of teenagers riding up a hill while he was on his e-bike.
That was me passing a neighbor while I was playing with my new toy. I thought he was an older racer cyclist who would get on my wheel. I felt bad as I recognized him as I passed and pointed out my new motor to him, but too late to slow down. He already knew about my motor from his mom. I have since toned it down when I catch up to others and now join them and ride at their pace.

I saw that Mont Ventoux video also that Alan refers to. That rider was pretty arrogant passing others on both right and left.

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Originally Posted by 350htrr
You are looking to do another "epic tour" are you not.? I suggest you do your own last tour over again with a single speed. and come back and tell us how you appreciate the "assistance" of the mechanical gear type of assistance...
Bicycle gears provide no assistance, all energy is human.

Motors connected to batteries do add assistance.

Sheesh what is wrong with you guys? You don't seem to understand the most rudimentary physics of simple-machines vs powered-machines.

bicycle = simple-machine

eBike = electric-battery-powered-machine
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