Originally Posted by Caretaker (Post 18877718)

Twenty four you don't need more.

Originally Posted by Squeezebox (Post 18877430)

Different spokes for different folks. My sister is 65 and probably did 2 minutes of exercise in her entire life. She is thin and attractive. She would never buy or rent a regular bicycle to do the Katy of such on her own. But I could see her on an E bike. This makes me think I should set up a Katy trail family reunion. I'm obviously very opinionated, but that does not me right.

Originally Posted by alan s (Post 18877761)

Twenty seven you're in heaven.

Anyway, it's the gear range, not the number that really matters. Also, I've never seen a bike that moves, no matter how many gears it has, without pedaling (except with the help of gravity or wind, etc.). E-Bikes? Turn the throttle and go. Or however it is you make it go. Really don't ever want to find out. Push a button? Never mind, really don't want to know.

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877769)

1 is all you need, anymore and you are a wuss... I am 100% sure there are some out there that think that way... :p

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877781)

And there you have it. Ignorance of how it works prejudices people all the time. Good luck on your tour. :thumb:

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877758)

I don't thing many people get pressured into using E-Bikes at all, if fact to me it seem the exact other way around. There's huge pressure not to use E-Bikes, and if you do, somehow you failed. It's the basic theme I get. Failed yourself, failed to ride what you actually did ride, failed the bicycling community, You are cheating, you are riding a motorized bike and not really putting in the effort you must, to be called a bicyclist... :rolleyes: And yes, I do put in less effort, about 30% less than anyone else riding 100Km the same road the same distance at the same time, weighing the same, traveling the same speed. So what, I don't say I rode 100Km that day, I say I rode 100Km that day with some assistance, The assistance equal's out to about 30%, thus I actually only did 70Km under my own power. What is wrong with that? Riding 70Km is way better than riding nothing... JMO :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by alan s (Post 18877783)

That doesn't rhyme. Try again.

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877817)

1 is all you need, any more and you are in need. (of an E-Bike) :p

Originally Posted by MixedRider (Post 18877811)

So why not just plan to do 70km that day? You are correct, that isn't failing.


Maybe I should ask, why do you choose to ride an e-bike for touring?

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877781)

And there you have it. Ignorance of how it works prejudices people all the time. Good luck on your tour. :thumb:

Originally Posted by alan s (Post 18877807)

Let me guess . . . an electric motor and a battery? I readily admit to ignorance as to the mechanism that connects the two.

Originally Posted by BigAura (Post 18877842)

I'm not sure you get it. Watch this video!! That's the kind contraption that people are riding. It's a motor-bike under the guise of a real bicycle just because it has pedals.

TOTAL BS. Wake up PEOPLE!

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877871)

Post 117 dude, I thought I addressed that...

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877553)

There ya go, 27 gears are better for hilly terrain than just 1 gear... It's a "helper system" it helps you do the trip. :thumb:

Same with E-Assist it "helps" the people (that need more help) who use it to make the trip rather than not even start... :p

Now when does "helping" turn into "doing", and the person just rides a motorized bicycle? That is a good question...

IMO The E-Bike laws in the USA have crossed the line and allow those types of motorized bikes, and I agree, they are not a bicycle with some assistance, they are a motorized bicycle... :rolleyes:

What is considered a bicycle in Europe is an E-Assist with less than 350 watts and assist cuts out at 20MPH, and PAS only, no throttle... That is the type of E-Assist I also consider a bicycle... Just enough power to "help" but one MUST actually pedal about 70% of the distance/effort it take for the bicycle to get from A to B... ;) If yu don't need or want to use that kind of a "helper" ( and that IS the operative word) than don't use it, just like if you don't want to use 27 speeds as a "helper" don't use it, ride a pure single speed bicycle... :thumb:

EDIT; And then, when riding a single speed you too, can consider yourself completely off the reliance of the Sherpa's holding your hand, and always there to "help" you... :p

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877865)

Close but missed again, It works by me pushing on the pedals and the bike moves forwards because of my effort... There is a sensor that measures how much I push on the pedals and it sends a signal to the motor to put in 30% of my effort, on top my effort. Thus if I put 10Lbs of pressure onto the pedals there will actually be 13Lbs going onto the effort to move the bike... ;) If I am lazy and only put in 1 Lbs of pressure onto the pedals there would only be 1.3Lbs of effort to make the wheels turn. ;)

Originally Posted by alan s (Post 18877919)

the amount of effort you put in is irrelevant. It's a leg-assisted motor bike or lamb.

Originally Posted by alan s (Post 18877761)

Twenty seven you're in heaven.

Anyway, it's the gear range, not the number that really matters. Also, I've never seen a bike that moves, no matter how many gears it has, without pedaling (except with the help of gravity or wind, etc.). E-Bikes? Turn the throttle and go. Or however it is you make it go. Really don't ever want to find out. Push a button? Never mind, really don't want to know.

Originally Posted by 350htrr (Post 18877913)

I think I do get it, I too have some of the same concerns, and I have stated them... I am talking the European standard for E-Assist bike, that work for me...