Hopefully that Klickfix product is still made. My Madden panniers are maybe 20 years old. The twist hooks are still listed at the Velo-Fred site but I can't find them at the R&K Klickfix site.

Hmm, well worst case I'll just get the Lone Pines. REI seems to have some sort of Klickfix replacement kit, maybe I'll swing by there and see if they actually latch or not (can't really tell from the picture, or if the picture is even complete).

I found them still in use at the R&K site on their "City Bag"...

https://www.amazon.com/KLICKfix-Bicy.../dp/B00FVKSQFA

You might still find them at Velo-Fred.

I dug through their 2017 catalog, seems that they have been replaced at some point by the Modul-rail and Vario hooks: Axiom Cycling Gear (yes, Axiom is the right link, they are detailed much better there).

I just found them at Velofred, under spare parts, under klickfix. $15. A cheaper but not as nice hook just below this one.

I have a set of Axiom bags with the "Vario" system. Those hooks alone are not locking but they are adjustable for a snug fit. A middle tab is included that rotates under the rack rail to lock the bags in place. The twist hooks would work better as an add-on if you can find them at Velo-Fred or those from Lone Peak. That said, if you ordered the Vario hooks it would likely include the center locking tab...

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/a...ms/Vario_1.jpg

That locking piece in the middle looks pretty neat.

A pannier I bought in Europe a couple years ago uses those same hooks, but only has a velcro strap in the middle instead of a locking piece like you have. But I do not tour with that pannier, it has not fallen off yet. But sometimes I forget to un-hook the velcro strap and I pull the pannier off the rack with slightly more effort than would be needed if the velcro was not there, the velcro really does not do a very good job. That said, a bigger piece of velcro could be made to work well.

I have the same panniers I think. The Nashbar Front Panniers 14L? I use them on the back as well.

Anyway, I'm not home to take a photo but I use the S-Biner Microlock from NiteIze. $5 for a 2-pack at REI. One loop goes through the eyelet of the hook and the other loop onto the rack.

Works great fro a cheap fix and easier to remove the panniers still.

https://www.niteize.com/product/S-Biner-MicroLock.asp

https://s24.postimg.org/fbcdba9sl/LSBM_01_2_R3_l.jpg

[MENTION=425650]Ty0604[/MENTION] does that actually hold them down and keep them from bouncing off, or just retain them if they do fall off?

It holds the hook pretty snug to the rack. One end goes through the eyelet of the hook and the other end around the rack. They make different sizes so make sure the ones you get will fit around the rack.

I've never had issues with these panniers coming off. I think every time they've come off is because I kicked them.

NiteIze makes a ton of carabiners, S-hooks etc so check out their website or REI. Depending on where you live, Fred Meyer has a large selection of them too. The package opens without tearing so easily returned if they don't work.

Edit: I see you're in Michigan. Fred Meyer is probably known by it's parent company Kroger out there I assume.

Admittedly a zombie thread..I stumbled across it as I was looking for something else.

In the event someone else is looking for a fix:

I ran across the same issue with a pair of Nashbar bags..easy/inexpensive fix
Rixen & Kaul centerlocks
https://www.twowheelgear.com/collections/accessories
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f9021e9a7f.jpg

Thank you for referencing velofred.com

I have that locking system on my Axiom bags and it's fine for locking the bag onto the rack preventing it from jumping off due to vibrations or bumps but I'm not sure it's strong enough on its own even mounted in pairs to hold my bag and its heavy content on in the first place.