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Board pannier?
Trying to remember where I saw this. Guy had basically made a flat plywood piece with a handle that attaches just like a regular pannier, then has something akin to PALS loops on the outside, (I think some were actually PALS compatible, while others were just lashing loops.) for attaching gear. IIRC, he also made a silnylon rain cover for the whole thing in his main camping configuration. Main benefits were that he was able to deal with bulky stuff like sleeping pads and whatnot, without having to find a commercial pannier big enough, could pull the whole thing off and carry it easily if the campsite needed to be a few yards from the bike, and could pack/unpack in a non-linear matter. (i.e. no need to dig through rain gear on top to get the cook kit from the bottom) Overall, it looked practical for touring (where one can perfect an arrangement of gear by trial and error and stick with it) but not so much for utility. (unless, I suppose, one buys the exact same things every shopping run)
Anybody remember this? I'm thinking of doing something similar, and it wouldn't hurt to have his pics and writeup available while planning out the project. |
What is a PALS loop?
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Not really what you're asking for, but maybe it could provide the functionality you want without the weight of attaching a piece of plywood to your rack: Freerider pannier
I used to have a set of grocery bag panniers, and I got this to replace them. It's more functional and more versatile, I think. It's open topped, so obviously not waterproof, but it has a hole in the bottom to let water drain, so if you packed your stuff in dry bags, it'd work. Of course if you're main goal is to have everything laid out, so you can unpack from the bottom, that's not going to do it.
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19662098)
Main benefits were that he was able to deal with bulky stuff like sleeping pads and whatnot, without having to find a commercial pannier big enough
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19662098)
could pull the whole thing off and carry it easily if the campsite needed to be a few yards from the bike, and could pack/unpack in a non-linear matter.
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19662098)
(i.e. no need to dig through rain gear on top to get the cook kit from the bottom)
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19662098)
Overall, it looked practical for touring (where one can perfect an arrangement of gear by trial and error and stick with it) but not so much for utility. (unless, I suppose, one buys the exact same things every shopping run)
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 19662644)
What is a PALS loop?
Its a type of those loops, specifically. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 19663930)
Its those loops on the outside of backpacks and gear carrying cases where you can tie things down onto the backpack.
Its a type of those loops, specifically. |
Originally Posted by mtnbud
(Post 19664004)
I've heard them called a Daisy Chain.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 19663930)
Its those loops on the outside of backpacks and gear carrying cases where you can tie things down onto the backpack.
Its a type of those loops, specifically.
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 19664008)
Yeah, thats what i call em. Buddy from work was military for years and called the things on his bag PALS. Then described the difference...i zoned out. They are horizontal instead of vertical, maybe?
The photo gives you an idea of the age of my backpacks. I think I bought my Kelty Tour Pack in the 70s? Photo is only three years old. Pack still works great, but I wish it got more usage than it actually gets. Back to the original question, I can't imagine why anyone would want to lash each of their items onto a board instead of put it all in a bag, or a bag with several pockets? And I can't imagine an easier way to loose stuff than to have lots of items lashed onto a vertical board with lash points. When things fall off they might not make enough noise to alert you to their loss. |
Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 19664130)
Back to the original question, I can't imagine why anyone would want to lash each of their items onto a board instead of put it all in a bag, or a bag with several pockets? And I can't imagine an easier way to loose stuff than to have lots of items lashed onto a vertical board with lash points. When things fall off they might not make enough noise to alert you to their loss.
Especially for overnighters and other short trips, I like to take a chair along, (the $15 WalMart knockoff of the $100 Helinox Chair One) which just doesn't get small enough to easily find space for in a pannier. Obviously if I'm not camping, it just goes on top of the rack, but if I am camping, the hammock and tarps are usually already there. It would be a pretty simple matter to add PALS loops to the case it comes with, or maybe find an existing case the right size already equipped, (I'd have to measure, but a couple of the dump pouches out there look like the right size) which also allows the chair to be directly accessible on a stop where I don't need anything else. The same goes for anything that might need to be the only thing pulled out on a given stop; tool roll, rain gear, etc. |
I rode and camped with a guy on the PCH for a while who had plywood panels bolted to his racks and really cheap backpacks bolted to the plywood. It seemed like just extra weight to me, but I guess it worked OK and it was an inexpensive solution.
FWIW even back when I packed much heavier than I do now or when I needed to carry some extra large bulky item(s) I never found a shortage of places to strap or tie things outside of the panniers. You can fit a lot of stuff on top of a rear rack. You can also put fairly large items in a bar roll. In fact I have done a long camping and cooking tour with everything either in a bar roll or on top of the rear rack and with no panniers at all. |
More acronyms. I give up.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 19665047)
More acronyms. I give up.
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Shouldn't you be working , rather than posting here? getting fired won't help your touring plans..
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
(Post 19664714)
I rode and camped with a guy on the PCH for a while who had plywood panels bolted to his racks and really cheap backpacks bolted to the plywood. It seemed like just extra weight to me, but I guess it worked OK and it was an inexpensive solution.
Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 19665047)
More acronyms. I give up.
ALICE is familiar to those of us who were buying surplus gear 20+ years ago. They're still available today, but the older, cheaper stuff tends to be uncomfortable compared to even low end modern gear.
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 19665456)
Shouldn't you be working , rather than posting here? getting fired won't help your touring plans..
Plus, check the post time stamps; I haven't worked graveyard shift in a long time. |
Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19667031)
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MOLLE/PALS is pretty familiar to plenty of outdoor enthusiasts due to both surplus equipment .... |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 19664008)
Yeah, thats what i call em. Buddy from work was military for years and called the things on his bag PALS. Then described the difference...i zoned out. They are horizontal instead of vertical, maybe?
There's a mil-spec for them, certain webbing size, certain distance apart, etc. |
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