A better hub? maybe.
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A better hub? maybe.
On paper this is the best, lighter, stronger, lasts longer.
best of all,
One $1,200 hub for all your wheels. Yes comes with a little hub basket so you can take it off the Fargo and put it on the Flow. Even build a wheel for the CCM with rim brakes then switch the hub to a 326 gram ... ..
Looks good on paper, are they ready? After a long long wait. Glad I clicked here Products - Kindernay before I ordered an Alfine.
best of all,
One $1,200 hub for all your wheels. Yes comes with a little hub basket so you can take it off the Fargo and put it on the Flow. Even build a wheel for the CCM with rim brakes then switch the hub to a 326 gram ... ..
Looks good on paper, are they ready? After a long long wait. Glad I clicked here Products - Kindernay before I ordered an Alfine.
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I think “on paper” is the only place this exists. If it ends up being what they’re promising, it could be very good, but it’s not for sale yet as far as I can tell, and it’s certainly untested. If I had the money to spend on untested tech, I’d probably be wiser to just buy a Rohloff and start saving for a 2nd one.
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Pretty slick, esp being able to mount same hub on different bikes. I bought a 2nd touring bike a couple of years ago & one thing I hadn't thought of was that I'm more disinclined to buy fancy stuff like a nice dynohub or Rohloff. Not that I'd buy a Rohloff or Kindernay anyway. 1) for that $$ I'd want belt-drive too & 2) with Kindernay the 2nd bike still basically has to be set up for IGH.
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$1300 for a hub?
not compatible with my other bikes, spares made of unobtainium, would have to buy a new frame with thru-axels..
for the price of just one hub i can buy two complete touring rigs.
...or one rig and a complete set of gear.
not compatible with my other bikes, spares made of unobtainium, would have to buy a new frame with thru-axels..
for the price of just one hub i can buy two complete touring rigs.
...or one rig and a complete set of gear.
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Contender for the NUTTIEST bike idea of ALL time. Right up there with that front fork lock arm idea.
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Give me a call when they make an internal gear hub with 650% range....
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And, yes, it’s still a non-user-serviceable part, so not everyone is going to comfortable with that. I’m not comfortable with it largely because it’s new and untested. If it ever gets out into the world and is shown to as reliable as the Rohloff has been, I think it’d worth a closer look.
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I think the swap feature is nice. However, it doesn't "look" like the outer shell of the swap is very durable. Also, can the hub have a lower ratio than the Rohloff. I "think" the current gives it something like 16.5" using a 700c wheel. Can it go lower? I actually prefer less range and a lower low. When touring, or even club riding, I very rarely go over 20mph so for me a high of low to mid 80" is perfectly fine. I have multiple Rohloff wheels (multipe bikes), and I really wish it had less spread.
Neat concept, I would look at the finished product after a year or so it has actually been on the market.
Neat concept, I would look at the finished product after a year or so it has actually been on the market.
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One could buy 3 really good hubs for whatever bike, axle and width you need, no tinkering needed.
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Some people like hub gears, and they have some advantages. They also have some disadvantages, one of which being that they get pricey if you go over 8 gears. But I love hub gears, and for me the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, even to the extent that I'd consider paying a premium price. Yes, I could get three really good hubs for the price, but they would be three really good hubs that I don't necessarily want to use, so I guess "good" is relative. I'm not advocating for this product. It is entirely unproven, but Rohloff has shown that there is a market for expensive, high range, gear hubs, and this has the potential to be a contender in that space. If you don't like hub gears, or don't think they're worth the price, then obviously this has no appeal to you. If you like hub gears, but the premium price for a hub that can only be used in one wheel is a problem, this could be a solution.
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Can I have one right now?
- Delivery of commercial series will start 2019.
Where can I buy it?
- Just go to our webshop, there’s a link in the menu on this page.
Things are on track for delivery of the first commercial batch by early 2019.
If you can’t find your way around, go to the about-page and drop us an email.
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Well, if they flop in the bike market, they could get into the unicycle market, this kind of remove the expensive gear mechanism leaving a shell and flanges laced into the wheel has been an often requested feature there (where there is only one 2-speed fixed IGH on the market), lots of folks would be interested in a cheap changeout between "mountain" and "road" wheels. Of course the innards would have to be different - fixed gear, fewer speeds mostly overdrive... Alas it is a small market.
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Well I'm impressed that it's only a bit more cost than the Rohloff. 3-sp Sturmey-Archer hub used to be more popular than derailleur despite being more complicated. With economies of scale, advanced IGH/Pinion/belt could become much cheaper & more popular. Many casual riders buy bikes that are 2-3X+ more expensive than what they need; bikes with much easier maintenance could be made appealing.
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Give me a call when DeFAILLEURS stop breaking into spokes, stop fluttering, stop chain suck, stop grinding, shift when stopped, can ride thru tall grass, shrug off crashes and collisions and baggage handlers, have 99.99% shifter function with NO adjustments ever, shift 4 gears in 1/2 sec., can use with a chain case, last 1/4 as long as a Rohloff, and gets BETTER with age. LOL
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Give me a call when DeFAILLEURS stop breaking into spokes, stop fluttering, stop chain suck, stop grinding, shift when stopped, can ride thru tall grass, shrug off crashes and collisions and baggage handlers, have 99.99% shifter function with NO adjustments ever, shift 4 gears in 1/2 sec., can use with a chain case, last 1/4 as long as a Rohloff, and gets BETTER with age. LOL
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I would love to hear from actual owners on this forum.
Anyways, they have been shipping for a few months. Apparently an order now will be delivered in August. There's also a youtube review of sorts that just posted:
I'd love to try one evenntually.
Anyways, they have been shipping for a few months. Apparently an order now will be delivered in August. There's also a youtube review of sorts that just posted:
I'd love to try one evenntually.