rivers, I dont think you mentioned, but have you camped much in your life?
And where are you and where will you most likely be doing some bike trips--australia, the UK, Spain, somewhere in America? --and in what months?
I ask because generally here in Canada, there are rainy periods in spring and fall, and summers have less rain--or to put it this way, one can plan a bike trip and put the most chances on your side of not having lots of rainy weather by chosing the right time of year, and of course using the internet now to keep an eye on trends etc.
Last summer we rode across France and luckily in the weeks before we started, there had been weeks of rain in early June, unusually so, but after that it was typically nice end of june july weather. A few times of rain, but not a big deal

and as you say, being able to ask or look around for inside lodging is always an option for a real yucky day, but thats just part of the deal--dealing with stuff and finding a solution

as nun already said, if its raining at end of day, I await rain to stop before putting up tent. In summer it generally will stop after a while. Ive generally been lucky in mornings and wait for rain to stop or get very light to have to pack up, so not a real problem in years of camping and bike touring.

yes I have spent a lot of time camping, although last year we upgraded from a tent to a converted ford transit because we got a dog. It will be in the UK, mostly in late spring-early fall, which tend to be our drier months.
I'm not adverse to a bit of rain, I get stuck in the rain on occasion. Hell, I think I've had 1 dry commute since mid October. But, if my mates and I have a long weekend trip planned and the forecast says it's going to rain for 3 days straight, we will just reschedule. We are mostly going to be using the trips to explore places a bit further afield than we can get to in a day, and have a good time.

I have no experience with the rain in UK, but I can say in USA that usually a drizzly rain can last quite a while but not get anything too wet too fast. Thus, i try to set up the tent quick in light rain and sprinkes. But heavy rain often is over in less than a half hour, maybe 45 minutes. Or, if it is still raining, it is much lighter. Thus in heavy rain, I would try to find a dry spot indoors to sit it out. But watching the forecast is quite useful to try to time things.

In the first photo below, I knew there would be a heavy downpour from the forecast, so I was VERY careful to pitch my tent on the highest ground in this flat area where there was virtually no high spots.

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The forecast:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a2b96d9fbc.jpg


But this photo is after most of the rain had fallen, my tent stayed dry because I was careful where to site my tent. Much of the green grass was taller than the standing water so much of what looks like dry grassy ground actually had a half inch of standing water.
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But, like you say, if it looks like the whole time will be wet, stay indoors instead. On that same trip, later I saw this forecast and decided to stay in a Hostel for three nights. We ended up having five days of rain.


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In the past I've also carried a small tarp, 6' x 8', for the same reason or for a lunch break during rain. This has been during backpacking outings.

it depends....currently we are getting several hours of heavy rain, most days, accompanied by very high winds a lot of the time. In the summer, it might be drizzly for most of the day, which is fine. Or you might get a small downpour. The summer does not see the heavy rainfall we seem to get in the winter, although this winter is particularly bad.
this is a photo I took this morning walking my dog. It wasn't like it Thursday, and the fields further along were worse
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Needless to say, if it's been raining like it has been, a trip I'm talking about wouldn't happen. We would book accommodation. A lot of our campsites are on farms and in fields similar to this.

Rivers, re your description of rainy Blighty. I've done a fair amount of bike touring, and don't mind biking in mountains or in challenging places or in great heat, but I readily admit that I'm just not that keen on riding regularly in rain.
I've got family in the UK, and have thought many times to fly to London and bike to Wales, or now, up to Scotland--but the expectation of regular rain riding has always put me off. Plus the narrow roads and traffic, but mostly the rain....

Our summers have been lovely, if not a bit too hot, the past 3-4 years. We spent 16 days in the Highlands in our van last summer, and it only rained twice I think. Wales is about 15 miles from me, so it's a fairly regular long day out (60-100 miles), and it's our plan for our trip this summer (out to the Brecon Beacons).
Before mid-October, we had normal amount of rain. It's just been non-stop since then, but it is winter.
the ultimate goal would be the North coast 500 in the Highlands or LEJOG. It's just convincing the wife to let me go out cycling for 2-4 weeks (I have the available holiday, but she likes it when we go away together and this doesn't interest her)

So come to the UK, before Scotland buggers off. Just wait until June

Neat.yes trying to plan trip ideas with family partner realities isn't always easy. I have adult niece and nephew in London, so could fly there and visit, and then bike up to northern Scotland and see sister and mother. Or reverse, fly to Scotland and bike down. Always a juggle of work and like you, to do things as a couple. Convinced wife to bike just us in France along eurovelo 6 route 2018, was fun. So want to do a similar one in France again with her maybe next summer.
so many trip ideas, not easy to become reality always...

With regards to roads, steer clear of major A roads (so A9 in the Highlands), and you should be okay. You get used to the narrow roads, it was quite a shock when I moved out from the US. Car drivers aren't as aggressive as in the states, but they aren't great. Country lanes are great though.

Before Scotland buggers off.... Chuckle
who knows who knows.

Ya, that 500 looks neat. I once looked at the distances between towns, and not being on a road bike I figured I might have to wild camp in places. The lejog could be fun too, but again, I know my speeds and reasonable distances with up and downs, so would not be that fast.... Who knows, maybe one day...

Thanks. If I ever get serious about this, I'll do some serious research. I'm ok with traffic generally, have lots of experience in other countries and commuting in Montreal.
Really comes down to juggling couple stuff. Next summer is a big anniversary so would be nice to do another France/continent trip going... Will see

wild camping is legal in Scotland, so that's not a problem. On my first bikepacking trip down to Cornwall, we came across a woman cycling LEJOG unsupported. I think she took about 6 or 7 weeks in the end to make the trip. She was using a mix of camping and accommodation, and was covering 30ish miles a day. We learnt our 90-100 miles a day was ambitious. While we made the mileage each day, we underestimated how much climbing on "loaded" (our bikes still weighed only around 15kgs) would slow us down. Devon and Cornwall are hilly, and I had a 34-28 (my gravel bike has much lower gearing, and is about to get lower). It was a fun trip, and we had a blast. But we learnt a lot about what to do and not to do (our Wales trip will have half the mileage. We're going to stop and enjoy the scenery, do some exploring, etc)

Yup, total bike weight and how many accumulative climbing meters per day, plus rider fitness and age, are all factors that you've got to take into account for daily mileage..
For me, my camping gear summerish load is always going to around 40lbs, with water food, on my study tourer. I've done a fair amount of mountainy riding so can judge days estimates for a rough amount of climbing expected. Would try to reduce load weight a bit, but in the end it will be similar to my recent Latin America trips, a bit less but I know it would be cool in Scotland and I'm a skinny old bugger, so need proper clothes. Plus I reckon stores are far between, so would have to carry more food.

potentially, yeah. Villages/towns can be few and far between. If you ever do decide to tour Scotland/UK in general, do not blindly follow NCN (national cycle routes) some are proper roads, others old railway or tow paths, but others are fields, bridleways, and deep sand pits only suitable for fat bikes. That was another lesson we learnt, actual route planning

potentially, yeah. Villages/towns can be few and far between. If you ever do decide to tour Scotland/UK in general, do not blindly follow NCN (national cycle routes) some are proper roads, others old railway or tow paths, but others are fields, bridleways, and deep sand pits only suitable for fat bikes. That was another lesson we learnt, actual route planning

Thanks for the NCN heads up. A few times in the past I've read up on that network and read some accounts of the wide variation of types of "routes" including muddy cow paths.... So I've already gotten the impression that things must be taken with a grain of salt.
I always reckoned I'd ask more detailed route questions on some Brit cycling forums when I get serious about it.
but thanks again, appreciated

My touring days are in the future. 'Convinced, though, that tarps are the way! One of many youtube fare:

In anticipation, have acquired a 3m x 3m tarp, hammock, and one man bivy tent with fly. All lightweight equipment. Stakes are plastic for ground, and metal "fish hook" for decks and fences. I will eventually make my own myomar bed roll. Hoping it is a versatile, light system.

dont forget that a good shelter isn’t just protection against the rain, it should also keep bugs at bay, they can be far worse than rain.

Muddy routes are often given by Google maps too. I’ve spent quite some time on dirt tracks in northern New England when following a Google bike route.

Might do LEJOG next summer as my family want me to visit the UK and it would be nice to combine that with a bike trip. I rode in the UK when I was young and also rode from London to North Yorkshire a few years ago. The roads are fine, just do what you’d usually do an avoid main roads with fast traffic. I stayed in motels, but for LEJOG I’ll probably combine hotels, hostels and camping.

Yes and Google Maps will divert you many kilometers/miles out of your way in order to put you onto some bicycle path or MUP that takes you even further out of your way. LOL

Cheers

That is a function of the bivy screen... though my research indicates that coconut oil (especially when combined with eucalyptus/tea tree oil) repels the little buggers. Excellent moisturizer, too.

Digger digger digger, you come with us in early summer and you tell that to the black flies, in fact you can yell that at them as they carry you away to the funny farm...
If you aren't Canadian and haven't done outdoor stuff in the woods, you'll probably take that the wrong way.....

A tarp and a bivy might end up being heavier or more volume than a single walled tent. If you use the hammock instead of the bivy the setup could also get heavy depending on the type of hammock and the number of quilts you need to take.

I routinely forget that we all come from different setups... having no reality concept of what ya'll go through above about 32 degrees latitude :o


My "bug out"/retirement plan if stranded in the U.S., started with that thread on the weatherman showing where 70F weather is all the time. I modified this to where the weather is low 60- high 80 degrees F throughout the year. This is my riding temp comfort zone. Two routes showed promise: Both start with living in Brownsville, TX from Nov-March. Both travel through Austin to Dallas, following the nice temps. One then travels through Tulsa, KC and up to Minneapolis for July-August (or staying on the road to Milwaukee) before turn around. The second is more ambitious, by heading west, through Denver, the Divide, Salt Lake, and up to Portland for Jul-Aug, or on up to Seattle, before turning around. So this is all stuck in my mind....


My other egg-head research is an internet attempt to use the least products in the most ways. Vinegar, Baking Soda (maybe ammonia) and Coconut Oil (along with a couple essential oils) have amazing properties/uses for self-sustained travel. Course whether or not the plan survives combat, is another story to be tested in the field.


This is the tent (or copy of the tent) I will be using, under a tarp, when not in a hammock: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...chweb201603_53

Weather and climate are not the same. What are you going to do when it's 103 degrees in somewhere like Iowa as you are heading towards MSP? Or 95 degrees in central Oregon during the day and in the 30s at night, even in September. Been to both. Done them. Got the t-shirts.

Bugs
 

Here, in the NE of US, rain averages almost an inch per week, in the Summer, insects are an issue, so a tent has a lot to recommend it.
Alan S, is that a NEMO tent in your picture?

Maybe you are looking at the green camp chair. The tent is in the red bag, MSR Hubba NX-2.

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All good questions. The theory stage (now) is based on average temps and rainfall. Though, as another contributer said, adjusting for contingencies is part of the fun/challenge.

Yup. The netting in my tent door looked like this on my bike tour this past summer.

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Damn! That remind me of at least one place. Strawberry Lake in MN. I nearly ingested a few while eating breakfast the next morning. When I unpacked my tent at the end of the day there were blood spots on it from the mosquitoes that got crushed when I packed it up.