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Missing Bikepacker Found
First heard about this on Facebook when she went missing. Happy ending.
https://www.bikemag.com/news/missing...-in-california |
THat's great news!
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Keeps his cabin unlocked in the woods for emergency survival.
Hats off to Gutierrez... Great Man! |
Great news. Great cabin owner.
His forethought saved her life. |
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She seemed to have survived quite a long time by being quite self reliant, including taking care of injuries to both legs.
Her choice of bike, a Lectric XP 3.0 eBike, may or may not have been a factor, with maybe a range of 45 miles 70kms, but it seems that having a fall and then snowstorms becoming a factor were the kicker. And yes, pretty darn lucky to have found that cabin to take shelter without her belongings. |
Good news and appreciate the cabin owner.
Being found alive is a lot better than the alternative. She appears fairly resourceful along the way. At the same time, curious about some of the circumstances and her equipment/preparation. Here is a longer video article: https://www.ktvu.com/news/tiffany-sl...evada-moutains Looking at the map and other article: 1. She was last seen at China Peak Mountain Resort - near Huntington Lake 2. She left on road towards Lake Edison, crossing Kaiser Pass (elevation 9000ft) still closed due to snow with drifts 10-12 ft of snow 3. She crossed Lake Edison and then headed up the valley reaching Golden Lake on way to Rock Creek Lake, reaching elevations up to 11000ft 4. She left her e-bike at trailhead to Upper Hopkins Lake 5. Her equipment included a tent, two sleeping bags, a cell phone. Along the way, she lost both sleeping bags and her tent. She didn't have a GPS. 6. She planned a three day trip, had food for five days. 7. She was in an avalanche and 13 snowstorms, was knocked off the road at one point. 8. This article shows a picture of her ebike when reported missing - https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...h-20325581.php There are some things that stll confuse me: - If the ebike has a range of 45 miles, how is it found 25+ miles from last point that likely to recharge - What circumstances cause you to lose your tent and two sleeping bags There was a different story about a woman on an e-bike getting stranded in Big Bend National Park. It was originally a debate about going beyond range of batteries, but might end up being a story about being unable to fix a flat tire - https://www.bikemag.com/news/story-o...urs-falls-flat |
Zoinks! That's a lot of gear. Maybe the bags and tent were in the trailer and she lost it, possibly in the crash.
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Ebike...45 miles maximum range. That was probably much much less in reality, due to steep hills and possibly having to plow through snow...based on my similar ebike. Sheesh, she's lucky to have survived.
Phones have GPS, and you can download maps first if you get out of cell service in remote areas. Is it really bikepacking if you stay on roads with your ebike, as I assume she was doing? It also doesn't seem she sought much advice beforehand (milk crate, kids trailer, etc) Some of the quotes in the news stories are a little...odd. But her survival instincts and knowledge of nature were put to the test when she was lost in the mountains of Fresno, California At the start of her camping trip, she recounted to reporters how she had fallen off a cliff and became unconscious for two hours, injuring both of her legs in the process. Slaton, who is a trained horticulturist and "pre-Olympian" in archery, then proceeded to splint one of her legs and "pop another knee back into place," she said. Due to a recent avalanche, she was unable to get back onto the main road and was unsuccessful in reaching 911 due to a lack of cell service. Thus, she began her "long arduous journey" of attempting to get back to civilization, which included fighting off animals, surviving on leeks and boiled snow, hiking peaks up to 11,000 feet high and suffering through 13 heavy snow storms, she said. |
Originally Posted by stevepusser
(Post 23523110)
Is it really bikepacking if you stay on roads with your ebike, as I assume she was doing? do?
Theres a LOT of unanswered questions, including under what circumstances you lose your tent and sleeping bag. Possibly as they were in the pack bags that were fastened to the bike, she had no way to carry them when she abandoned the bike, Seems you would understand those are pretty important to survival and you don’t leave those behind. I’ve read stranger stories of survival or not in the woods, including the story of Ginnie Largay who died on the Appalachian Trail, or near it, in Maine. That one really had me puzzled. We might never get answers to this story that make sense, |
Originally Posted by stevepusser
(Post 23523110)
Is it really bikepacking if you stay on roads with your ebike, as I assume she was doing?
And leeks grow in the wild. One variety of wild leek is also known as “ramps”. |
Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 23523140)
Does bikepacking need to be off road exclusively ?, or can it merely be the “style” of baggage she was using to carry her gear on a bike that might otherwise not have eyelets to mount racks and panniers, which would then have made it a bike tour ?.
Theres a LOT of unanswered questions, including under what circumstances you lose your tent and sleeping bag. Possibly as they were in the pack bags that were fastened to the bike, she had no way to carry them when she abandoned the bike, Seems you would understand those are pretty important to survival and you don’t leave those behind. I’ve read stranger stories of survival or not in the woods, including the story of Ginnie Largay who died on the Appalachian Trail, or near it, in Maine. That one really had me puzzled. We might never get answers to this story that make sense, |
Hmmm. Wanna bet there is a book and movie in the near future?
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Originally Posted by stevepusser
(Post 23523110)
Is it really bikepacking if you stay on roads with your ebike, as I assume she was doing? It also doesn't seem she sought much advice beforehand (milk crate, kids trailer, etc)
I want to know how her gardening and archery skills came into play! So I think articles use it as a synonym for what others in this group might call bike touring rather than some more precise terminology based on gear or type of road. We know since that she traveled first on roads still closed because snow drifts had not yet been plowed over the 9000ft pass. She eventually abandoned the ebike at a trailhead that doesn't appear to be on much of a road. She traveled on foot further and higher into the Sierra and was found back down the valley by Edison Lake. As for pre-olympian in archery, I took it from context as a statement of athletic condition and not that a bow and arrow was being used on her trip. |
Originally Posted by stevepusser
(Post 23523110)
Phones have GPS, and you can download maps first if you get out of cell service in remote areas.
So I'm not sure how much of an issue no cell service played as much as that she had traveled on roads the online map knew to be closed. (Almost the opposite issue where sometimes travelers got into trouble following GPS instructions on roads closed for the season - hence there is a reason for GPS to not route people along closed roads). |
Originally Posted by mev
(Post 23523321)
As for pre-olympian in archery, I took it from context as a statement of athletic condition and not that a bow and arrow was being used on her trip.
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Originally Posted by mev
(Post 23521998)
There are some things that stll confuse me:
- If the ebike has a range of 45 miles, how is it found 25+ miles from last point that likely to recharge Not sure that battery range had anything to do with this rider's incident, but looking at the map of its mountainous location and her load, she would certainly get the minimum range. Map shows where the pavement ends. Sounds like Tiffany may have traveleled further before the avalanche and then ditched the bike before backtracking to the cabin on Lake Edison? Article said her bike had a range "up to 45 miles". But add 3600+ feet over Kaiser Pass? She'd be lucky to get much more than 25 miles before running out of gas unless she topped over her battery at Mono Hot Springs (still snowed in?) requiring a lengthy stop. No mention if she was carrying a spare or had the optional larger battery. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1936b76541.png |
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d7d02f9e73.png
any of us with any setup would have had issues pushing a bike through unopened snowbound roads, but a heavy E-bike with all this stuff would have posed significant extra challenges. |
Twenty years ago, I drove the family up to Mono Hot Springs well after the snow had melted. The road in is extremely difficult, steep, and in many places, a single lane with traffic in two directions and very few pullouts along a very steep incline. If you fall, you die. I had a guy in a pickup coming at us at 40 mph, apparently completely unaware of the situation, and I was leaning on the minivan horn to try to alert him to what would have likely been a fatal impact (that would knock us down a 1000 ft slope). The camping there was very primitive, and past Shaver lake, I doubt there would be any place to charge an ebike. There is no way I would take any bike on that road (and never went back by car).
I think I read she was from Atlanta, and doing this trip before starting med school? |
Must have been 21 years ago. The kid who learned to walk on that trip just graduated college.
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I think it's fair to say that all of us have made bad judgment calls when young that could have had serious consequences.
Touch wood. |
I suspect that there are a lot of people who think California is all warm sunshine, beaches, bikini volleyball, surfing and Sunkist commercial material. Winter storms in May in the High Sierra are not uncommon (although I doubt she really encountered 13 of them).
Anyway, I am glad she is alive. I was worried she was a victim of foul play or an accident when I first heard the story. |
Originally Posted by mev
(Post 23523328)
In the interview it indicated that at one point she did have enough cell service to ask her phone for directions. It couldn't tell her a route but could tell her she was ~20 miles from a Starbucks (that Starbucks was on eastern side of the Sierra Nevada mountains meaning she would have to cross over drainage from where she was to other side of the mountains).
So I'm not sure how much of an issue no cell service played as much as that she had traveled on roads the online map knew to be closed. (Almost the opposite issue where sometimes travelers got into trouble following GPS instructions on roads closed for the season - hence there is a reason for GPS to not route people along closed roads). |
Originally Posted by phughes
(Post 23523649)
I use downloaded maps, with GPS, with the cell service turned off. Works well. It shows my position on the map, and I can navigate, manually, from there.
In her interviews she indicated she had gotten lost. Her parents took the lesson as "in the future she will always be sure to have a GPS" though I differ with that learning because there are also ways to apply existing phone for location and offline/downloaded maps. In any case, also agree with @djb that we've done our own share of foolish things, so I'm not going to be too judgmental. |
This video (not mine) gives an idea for what it is like in the summer...
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 23523440)
I think I read she was from Atlanta, and doing this trip before starting med school?
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 23523526)
I suspect that there are a lot of people who think California is all warm sunshine, beaches, bikini volleyball, surfing and Sunkist commercial material. Winter storms in May in the High Sierra are not uncommon (although I doubt she really encountered 13 of them).
Anyway, I am glad she is alive. I was worried she was a victim of foul play or an accident when I first heard the story. Being from Atlanta, she probably considered flurries a “storm”. :D It wasn’t that long ago that a few inches paralyzed the city. |
Originally Posted by indyfabz
(Post 23523178)
Yes. The overwhelming number of miles of the GDMBR are on roads, such as unpaved USFS roads. I call that “bikepacking”.
And leeks grow in the wild. One variety of wild leek is also known as “ramps”. |
Originally Posted by indyfabz
(Post 23523412)
That’s how I took it. I also took it as “fluff”. After all, how often do you read about someone who is so proficient at archery? And archery is one of those “obscure” Olympic sports.
My theory is that she saw the Hunger Games films, with Katniss's awesome archery skills a key to her survival. |
Originally Posted by stevepusser
(Post 23524284)
I still have questions about them growing in what is basically winter up there, and her finding them under meters of snow.
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