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Originally Posted by rivers
(Post 23635008)
god forbid you celebrate diversity and embrace empathy
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Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 23637577)
ACA began to promote and fund (in the way of grants) rides and gatherings for narrow demographics. Perhaps one way of 'celebrating diversity', but it's the opposite of inclusivity.
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It looks like the ballot on selling the building went out to voting members today. The material states ACA would remain a tenant in the building and would not move (at this time). The mailings and language regarding the vote outreach process are worded purely in favor of a "yes" response. The vote closes on November 24.
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Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23637712)
It looks like the ballot on selling the building went out to voting members today. The material states ACA would remain a tenant in the building and would not move (at this time). The mailings and language regarding the vote outreach process are worded purely in favor of a "yes" response. The vote closes on November 24.
Dear Members and Friends of Adventure Cycling, If you are a current member of Adventure Cycling, you may have recently received a letter from the organization's new executive director, Andy Williamson, urging members to vote for the sale of our Missoula headquarters at 150 E. Pine Street. The organization has received an offer of $2.55 million for the building and property. While we appreciate the financial challenges facing the organization, we believe selling this building—the debt-free, member-funded heart of Adventure Cycling—is the wrong solution at the wrong time. Our goal is not confrontation but clarity. Below we address several points made in Andy Williamson’s message and explain why keeping the headquarters is central to Adventure Cycling’s recovery and long-term vitality. 1 · Financial Stability Requires Rebuilding, Not Liquidation Andy Williamson states the $2.55 million sale would provide a financial “runway.” In truth, this is a one-time infusion that consumes a core endowment asset with limited long-term benefit. Independent analyses from former staff and Life Members demonstrate that Adventure Cycling can balance its budget without selling the building, through right-sizing the staff, leasing unused space, restoring donor confidence, and rebuilding programs. The building itself can generate revenue via tenants while continuing to serve as the organization’s public face. Once sold, that stream—and the underlying equity—are gone forever. 2 · An “Underutilized” Building Is a Symptom, Not the Cause Andy's letter cites an 'underutilized, aging building' that houses only seven staff. Yet that is a management choice, not an inherent flaw. Adventure Cycling’s earlier success stemmed from a dedicated staff working together under one roof, where spontaneous collaboration and shared purpose fueled innovation. Bringing staff back to Missoula—full- or part-time—would revive this culture and improve member service. National studies confirm that in-person collaboration increases creativity and performance, benefits that cannot be replicated through a fully remote structure. 3 · Deferred Maintenance Is Manageable The building is fully paid for and exempt from property tax. Historical operating costs average roughly $25,000 per year for utilities, insurance, and routine upkeep. Moreover, the Life Member Fund and donor community stand ready to support maintenance when engaged transparently. Selling a building because of manageable upkeep costs is fiscally shortsighted. 4 · Membership Decline Reflects Lost Engagement, Not “Aging Out” Leadership attributes falling membership to demographics. In fact, ACA’s own data show that the older cycling cohort is growing, not shrinking, nationwide. Membership losses track instead with reduced programs, rising dues, and the diminished services now offered through a remote staff . Restoring value—through vibrant tours, high-quality publications, and responsive outreach—will rebuild membership far more sustainably than selling headquarters property. 5 · Mission and Identity Depend on Place For nearly 34 years, 150 E. Pine Street has welcomed cyclists from around the world. It is part museum, part visitor center, and wholly symbolic of Adventure Cycling's mission to inspire, empower, and connect people to travel by bike. Relinquishing ownership of this “Mecca of bicycle travel” would fracture that identity. The building embodies continuity, credibility, and community trust—qualities no lease-back agreement can replace. 6 · Constructive Alternatives Exist Rather than liquidating assets, ACA should implement the actionable recovery strategies already outlined by longtime members and advisors: • Re-establish balanced budgets where expenses match income; • Rebuild the interconnected 'engagement funnel' of routes, tours, membership, magazine, and advocacy; • Lease unused building space to compatible nonprofits or outdoor businesses; • If necessary, borrow short-term funds against the equity of the headquarters building; • Launch a donor appeal linked to the 50th Anniversary celebration; • Recruit new leadership and board members with proven nonprofit and financial expertise. These measures strengthen the organization while preserving its heritage and its home. 7 · A Vote NO Is a Vote for Adventure Cycling’s Future Selling the headquarters might ease today’s cash flow but would undermine tomorrow’s foundation. Adventure Cycling has weathered crises before—each time by relying on the passion, generosity, and ingenuity of its staff and members, not by selling the assets acquired over decades. We therefore urge every eligible member to vote NO on the proposed sale. Keep Adventure Cycling rooted in Missoula, where it began and where its mission still thrives. The fact that ACA was cash positive at year-end 2023 makes this proposed building sale especially troubling. For that reason, the members of Save ACA will be voting NO on the sale of the building. You have that same opportunity—but timing is critical. If you are not a current member, you must join or renew by 7:59 a.m. Monday, November 3 to be eligible to vote. Voting will take place between 8a.m. November 4 and November 24 through the official voting page, https://www.adventurecycling.org/mem...-building-sale. With respect, determination, and gratitude, The members of Save ACA: Dan Burden Lys Burden Greg Siple June Siple Jim Sayer Sheila Snyder Cyndi Steiner Ginny Sullivan Gary MacFadden |
I've started a new thread about the ACA building sale vote.
I think this thread is kinda used up. |
Thanks! We need to have a discussion. I'll head over there ...
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
(Post 23637646)
Or they saw that their user base of older white guys like me was rapidly dwindling, realized that they'd missed the bus re bikepacking (whose main online presence, as pointed out earlier in this thread, promotes diversity much more aggressively and yet is thriving), and figured they might as well go down fighting.
I go to bikepacking.com frequently. I am curious, how, exactly, do they "promote diversity much more aggressively"? I ask because I have never noticed such a thing. I am not questioning that they are diverse, My impression is that they are naturally diverse without aggressive promotion but, it is honestly not even something I think about when I am on their site. I go there for info on "bikepacking" routes and related gear etc. and that is what I get. THAT is good. On the other hand, ACA has been in your face aggressive to the point of tortured definitions of "adventure" so as to be "diverse." Actual bicycle touring became an after thought. |
Originally Posted by L134
(Post 23639019)
Actual bicycle touring became an after thought.
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Originally Posted by L134
(Post 23639019)
Seems to me you are missing the fact that ACA pioneered the GDMBR, I think before bikepacking.com existed? Clearly, ACA has made mistakes but to solve them it is best to correctly identify them.
I go to bikepacking.com frequently. I am curious, how, exactly, do they "promote diversity much more aggressively"? I ask because I have never noticed such a thing. I am not questioning that they are diverse, My impression is that they are naturally diverse without aggressive promotion but, it is honestly not even something I think about when I am on their site. I go there for info on "bikepacking" routes and related gear etc. and that is what I get. THAT is good. On the other hand, ACA has been in your face aggressive to the point of tortured definitions of "adventure" so as to be "diverse." Actual bicycle touring became an after thought. |
Originally Posted by Yan
(Post 23634872)
Have a look at the below trend. Cycling is more popular than ever. The fact that they are going under is clear evidence their business model is no longer working out.
If your business model isn't working out, why would you expect things to get better if you change nothing? https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c35dea2c56.jpg It could even be a rise in profit margins masking a decline in participation. To imply that $ = people is shaky ground |
Originally Posted by str
(Post 23639190)
Diversity is cool, makes life diverse and interesting.
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Originally Posted by john m flores
(Post 23639226)
To imply that $ = people is shaky ground
Although sales of bicycles did jump during the Covid pandemic. When they were in stock. I suspect that many of those bikes are rusting quietly in garages and storage sheds. The shocking stat is how few children are cycling. Many of us "of a certain age" lived on our bikes as kids. Go by any elementary school today and the bike racks are mostly empty. Go by at 7:30a and there is a line of cars dropping off kids. In fact, most schools build in the past 30 years have drop-off and pick-up lanes. Atlantic article, firewalled https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...ecline/683377/ The number of kids who rode 6+ times a year dropped from 20 million in the 1990s to 10 million in 2023, The kicker - only 5% of kids rode their bike "frequently". Because I could bike to school in any weather, deliver newspapers, bike to the drug store, bike to the park, bike where I shouldn't bike to, (In Puerto Rico, no less.) I had the ability to imagine biking across the country. That is no longer a shared experience with younger generations. You can't have adventures on a bicycle if you can't bike. Organizations like the League of American Bicyclists addressed this issue. ACA put its focus elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by jamawani
(Post 23639324)
Because I could bike to school in any weather,(check) deliver newspapers,(check)
bike to the drug store, bike to the park,(check) bike where I shouldn't bike to,(oh yea, double check) |
Originally Posted by john m flores
(Post 23639226)
I'd just like to point out that the y-axis is dollars, not people. The rise in values year over year could be inflation or the increased industry focus on higher-end/higher margin products.
It could even be a rise in profit margins masking a decline in participation. To imply that $ = people is shaky ground |
Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23637712)
It looks like the ballot on selling the building went out to voting members today. The material states ACA would remain a tenant in the building and would not move (at this time). The mailings and language regarding the vote outreach process are worded purely in favor of a "yes" response. The vote closes on November 24.
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I have mostly been silent on ACA philosophy in this thread. The two times I was a member was solely because it was included in the two trips I took with them, most recent was in 2018, thus my membership expired in 2019.
Thus, the news of ACA attempting to broaden their appeal to other groups was news to me. I have never been a member of the Sierra Club. Today there is an article in the NY Times (paywall) on how Sierra Club has lost a lot of members in recent years when they were attempting to appeal to other groups. Pasted from the article: ... its leaders sought to expand far beyond environmentalism, embracing other progressive causes. Those included racial justice, labor rights, gay rights, immigrant rights and more. From what I have read in this thread, it sounds like ACA and Sierra Club attempted the same sort of goal to expand membership, and both misjudged. If anyone is interested in the (paywall) NYT piece, link is: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/u...l-justice.html |
At the risk of stating the obvious, from what I've seen firsthand over the past 20+ years is that the members of organizations and the staff of organizations often live in two different environments and have notably different worldviews. Staffers often feel a greater "allyship" (to use the term) with other organizations than they do with their own membership, having sometimes moved to and from those other organizations in their careers.
A strong and close oversight by an active board of directors that does represent the members' interests can help correct this. However, in some organizations staff have been known to control the board nomination and election process to ensure "smooth and harmonious operation". Until the members weigh in by no longer being members. Two organizations that I have been involved with where the bylaws require the board members to be elected by and represent specific member groups seem to have been more successful in resisting this trend. I don't have enough information to say if this is the exact sequence of events that happened in ACA. For decades, ACA's physical location thousands of miles from K Street seemed to help insulate it from the pervasive groupthink of other national organizations. But with instant communication, social influence, and other cultural factors, that may no longer have been the case. |
Originally Posted by jamawani
(Post 23639324)
You can't have adventures on a bicycle if you can't bike.
Organizations like the League of American Bicyclists addressed this issue. ACA put its focus elsewhere. For 30+ years, the League of American Bicyclists has been ignoring their core membership cohort of higher-mileage club members and instead chasing people who aren't committed riders. And their membership numbers aren't anything to brag about. It's true that in many areas club cyclists are a diminishing number of total riders, but overall ridership is going down and LAB's initiatives haven't put much of a dent in it. And there are many who have heard of LAB who don't necessarily have a high opinion of the organization as it's been pushing polarizing "social justice" initiatives in alliance with their K Street chums. ACA for nearly its entire history stayed steadily focused on promoting and supporting long-distance bicycle travel. For a long time ACA's focus was rewarded with membership numbers substantially larger than LAB's. And then, they weren't, but that's a very recent phenomenon - one that this and other threads have belabored. But I think there's a stronger argument that ACA's recent woes are because they were seen as focusing on a lot of other issues than their original focus. I know that ACA and LAB have worked together to get the proper organization working on the proper issue. Examples include the USBRS and state rumble strip policies, which ACA has handled with some success (albeit mixed). Anything urban usually ends up in LAB's lap, unless Bikes Belong (the bike industry advocacy arm) decides it will deal with it instead. Conflating the two is how you get ideas like the proposed ACA / LAB / ABW merger nearly a decade ago, which might have killed all three. There is a possibility my numerous comments on this forum on these topics could invite action that could result in my losing my biggest current contract. And I'm no stranger to seeing severe career-damaging repercussions from being too honest in my public statements. But at this stage of my life and career, I'd rather speak my mind on a topic I know than be silent and watch things get worse. |
Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 23639923)
If anyone is interested in the (paywall) NYT piece, link is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/u...l-justice.html |
Originally Posted by jamawani
(Post 23639324)
Absolutely.
Although sales of bicycles did jump during the Covid pandemic. When they were in stock. I suspect that many of those bikes are rusting quietly in garages and storage sheds. The shocking stat is how few children are cycling. Many of us "of a certain age" lived on our bikes as kids. Go by any elementary school today and the bike racks are mostly empty. Go by at 7:30a and there is a line of cars dropping off kids. In fact, most schools build in the past 30 years have drop-off and pick-up lanes. Atlantic article, firewalled https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...ecline/683377/ The number of kids who rode 6+ times a year dropped from 20 million in the 1990s to 10 million in 2023, The kicker - only 5% of kids rode their bike "frequently". Because I could bike to school in any weather, deliver newspapers, bike to the drug store, bike to the park, bike where I shouldn't bike to, (In Puerto Rico, no less.) I had the ability to imagine biking across the country. That is no longer a shared experience with younger generations. You can't have adventures on a bicycle if you can't bike. Organizations like the League of American Bicyclists addressed this issue. ACA put its focus elsewhere. That said, as a Warm Showers host near enough to NYC to get requests from folks either heading cross country or down to Florida, most of my guests have been young riders. That gives me hope. They may not do it in the same numbers (demographics and all) but it seems like every generation has folks that ask, "what's over there?" |
Originally Posted by john m flores
(Post 23640528)
Funny what happens when you spend 75 years building a world that prioritizes cars over everything else.
That said, as a Warm Showers host near enough to NYC to get requests from folks either heading cross country or down to Florida, most of my guests have been young riders. That gives me hope. They may not do it in the same numbers (demographics and all) but it seems like every generation has folks that ask, "what's over there?" So I get lots of folks when I'm home in the summer. Some young, some older. Not surprisingly, very few middle-aged folks, but that has always made sense. Bicycle touring isn't egalitarian. First off, it costs money - money for the tour and money not made when touring. Also, far more dangerous - yes, dangerous - for women, minorities, queer folk. Most of those nice empty roads are in deep red counties. I am pretty obviously gay. (Despite my best teenage efforts to hide it.) I've been called "f@33ot" lots of times and was assaulted and nearly killed. My puertorriqueña friend, Maria, was threatened in east Tennessee and feared for her life. So, I know, firsthand. I would love to see all that change overnight, but much of the disparity lies in deep cultural patterns in American society. An organization as small as ACA isn't going to alter that significantly. It certainly doesn't mean to do nothing, but ACA's primary mission should be cycling. I believe that if you work to promote the magic of touring - - for all, if you work to make touring cheap for young people with limited funds, if you work to stitch together empty roads that GPS often fails to do, than you can bring more people - of all shapes and colors - to touring. |
Originally Posted by jamawani
(Post 23639324)
Absolutely.
Although sales of bicycles did jump during the Covid pandemic. When they were in stock. I suspect that many of those bikes are rusting quietly in garages and storage sheds. The shocking stat is how few children are cycling. Many of us "of a certain age" lived on our bikes as kids. Go by any elementary school today and the bike racks are mostly empty. Go by at 7:30a and there is a line of cars dropping off kids. In fact, most schools build in the past 30 years have drop-off and pick-up lanes. Atlantic article, firewalled https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...ecline/683377/ The number of kids who rode 6+ times a year dropped from 20 million in the 1990s to 10 million in 2023, The kicker - only 5% of kids rode their bike "frequently". Because I could bike to school in any weather, deliver newspapers, bike to the drug store, bike to the park, bike where I shouldn't bike to, (In Puerto Rico, no less.) I had the ability to imagine biking across the country. That is no longer a shared experience with younger generations. You can't have adventures on a bicycle if you can't bike. Organizations like the League of American Bicyclists addressed this issue. ACA put its focus elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
(Post 23639923)
I have mostly been silent on ACA philosophy in this thread. The two times I was a member was solely because it was included in the two trips I took with them, most recent was in 2018, thus my membership expired in 2019.
Thus, the news of ACA attempting to broaden their appeal to other groups was news to me. I have never been a member of the Sierra Club. Today there is an article in the NY Times (paywall) on how Sierra Club has lost a lot of members in recent years when they were attempting to appeal to other groups. Pasted from the article: ... its leaders sought to expand far beyond environmentalism, embracing other progressive causes. Those included racial justice, labor rights, gay rights, immigrant rights and more. From what I have read in this thread, it sounds like ACA and Sierra Club attempted the same sort of goal to expand membership, and both misjudged. If anyone is interested in the (paywall) NYT piece, link is: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/u...l-justice.html |
The Radavist weighs in on the ACA situation, chatting with Casey Greene, Lael Wilcox and Andy Williamson in this article.
https://theradavist.com/whats-next-f...ng-association |
Originally Posted by RandomlyWest
(Post 23640942)
The Radavist weighs in on the ACA situation, chatting with Casey Greene, Lael Wilcox and Andy Williamson in this article.
https://theradavist.com/whats-next-f...ng-association There are two other active threads on ACA at this time, I am not checking to see if it is posted there. |
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