N_C

Never mind the fact that I may need to reduce the amount of gear I'm taking. I'm still working on that. What I want to know and all I need to know for the moment is, is there anything I have not included.

As far as meals are concerned I am going to eat @ restaurants all along the route. So I'll have plenty of money for that.

Oh and BTW the things that are part of the BIKE list are items I carry with me every time I ride, except the 16" tube. Everything fits in my Camel Bak M.U.L.E. pack or on the bike or it is the bike.


I also know there are things I need to purchase yet, those are indicated in the list.

Please let me know if there is anything I need to add.

Thanks.


BIKE: VISION R40 RECUMBENT
CAMEL BAK M.U.L.E. W/100 OZ BLADDER
DRINKING TUBE CLIP
COMPUTER
16" TUBE ***
20" TUBE ***
26" TUBE ***
MULTI-TOOL
CO2 "GUN"
C02 CARTRIDGES ***
MINI FLOOR PUMP
AIR PRESSURE GAUGE
HEADLIGHT
TAIL LIGHT
HALT PEPPER SPRAY
EMERGENCY CHAIN LINK
PATCH KIT ***
FIRST AID KIT ***
BOTTLE OF MED. ***
BICYCLE GUARDIAN ANGLE PIN

TRAILER: B.O.B. YAK
DRY SAK
"X" BUNGEE CORD
FLAG
EXTRA RETAINING PIN ***

CAMPING GEAR: TENT KIT: RAIN FLY
TENT
STAKES
SHOCK CORD 4-WAY 1 PIECE POLE
BED ROLL KIT: AIR MATTRESS
LIGHTWEIGHT SLEEPING BAG
PILLOW
ESSENTIALS KIT: CAMP CLOCK
5 PLASTIC SPOONS
SMALL THERMOMETER/COMPASS
CAMP CLOTHS LINE IN REEL W/HOOKS
SMALL CAMP KNIFE
AIR MATRESS ADAPTER NOZZLE
CAMPING REPAIR KIT: TENT TAPE ***
2 AIR MATTRESS REPAIR KITS ***

STREET CLOTHS: SANDALS **
4 PAIR SWIM TRUNKS *
4 RAYON SHIRTS **

CYCLING CLOTHS: HELMET
SHOES
5 PAIR OFSHORTS *
5 JERSEYS *
GLOVES
5 BANDANNAS
5 PAIR CYCLING SOCKS *
5 HEADBANDS
HELMET MIRROR
EYE GLASSES/SUN GLASSES RETAINER






TOILETRIES: BUGS SPRAY ***
SOAP/SHAMPOO COMBO ***
MESH TYPE BATH SPONGE ***
TRAVEL TOOTH BRUSH
TOOTH PASTE ***
LISTERINE POCKET PAK STRIPS ***
DEODORANT ***
GOLD BOND FOOT POWDER ***
EYE GLASS CLEANER ***
SUNBLOCK ***
BABY WIPES ***
Q-TIPS ***
OLD SPICE REFRESHER CLOTHS ***
6 TRAVEL JOHN'S ***
3 CAMP TOWELS
TOILETRIES BAG

OTHER ITEMS: EYE GLASSES
SUN GLASSES ****
EYE GLASS CASE
SUN GLASSES CASE ****
COTTON FLOUR SACK TOWEL
DIRTY LAUNDRY BAG
JOURNAL ***
INK PEN ***
BIRD FIELD GUIDE BOOK
BINOCULARS
5' X 7' TARP
BUNGEE CORDS

NOTES: * = NEED TO PURCHASE MORE
** = DO NOT HAVE, NEED TO PURCHASE
*** = MIGHT HAVE TO REPLACE/REPLENISH
**** = NEED TO REPLACE EXISTING

RWTD

Only thing I can think of is to maybe start out with some food as snacks and carry a little extra food and water packed away as insurance in case you run out or plan wrong etc.I know the camelbak holds alot but found people using them drank more so still tended to run out .

alexeicharkham

why so many swim trunks, shorts , headbands and bandannas? two of each max I wouldve said

u got any pyjamas or v comfy things to sleep in?

a book to read

a vest is v useful if you wanna tan your shoulders on nice days

AndrewP

A small radio is handy for getting the weather forecast.

Overpants that can double as wet weather wear and street wear.

Rain jacket

Mesh laundry bag that can let damp stuff dry out while you are riding.

If your pump has a gauge on it I dont think you need a separate pressure gauge.

Plastic bags

pokey

Where are you going and for how long?

Sailguy

I have never been touring myself, but I would imagine if you spent the night at an unimproved campsite you would need toilet paper and a small shovel.

sakarias

Anything left out? The kitchen sink? Just kidding.

If you are going to carry spare chain links, carry a _good_ chain rivet tool. Park makes a good light one. I always carry one -- and have never had to use it. I am not a fan of multi-tools, preferring to carry the real things (spoke wrench, allen wrenches for everything on the bike,.

Since you wear eye glasses, bring a repair kit for them, in case you lose a screw.

Map(s)?

Camera?

Spare spokes? Cassette removal tool(s) in case you break a drive side spoke?

Chain lube?

Tire irons? (since you are otherwise prepares to replace a tube (three tube sizes?))

Rain gear for riding?

[If you're going to eat in restaurants, why 5 plastic spoons?]

Mailing addresses if you want to drop someone a postcard?

Phone numbers in case of emergency?

When you get to wondering about what to _leave behind_, I have lots of suggestions of things you'll never use, could easily do without, or substitute with something you are already taking for another purpose, or should be able to easily find along the way if you needed it. The list has way more stuff than necessary for a lot of items.

If you "calibrate" your fingers by squeezing a properly pumped up tire, you don't need a pressure gauge at all.

Brains

Here is a copy of the 'full' kit list we use for our Scout group



1 # Tent North Face, Force 10, or your own 3-4 Season tent
1 # Sigg Fuel Bottle 1 litre, SILVER or RED, to be used for fuel ONLY
1 # 2L Water Bag Ortlieb, this will be of the foldable “pillow” type
1 # Compass If you have your own, please bring it
1 # Puritabs or Iiodine For water purification
1 # Stove (Trangia) Meths. Includes 2 bowls and a fryingpan/plate
1 # Stove (Peak) Unleaded petrol. Needs a billy/lid and mess tin(s)
1 # * Billy/lid Ensure all your Cell has something to cook in AND eat from
1 * Thermos Metal unbreakable type - Just remember the weight.
2 Lighters Cheap plastic ones
1 Knife Swiss Army type if possible. No big heavy sheath knives.
1 Sunblock Factor 25+,
1 * Lipsalve High factor
3 Nightlights Candles, with candle holder if you have one.
2 * Tupperware boxes Small ones, one for the 1st aid, the other for the E-Pack.
1 1st Aid Kit As a minimum to contain a “Spenceco” blister kit, plasters, a bandage, safety pins, Savlon, Asprin/Panodol, diocalm or Immodium, TCP, etc.
1 Emergency Food The cell E-Pack is to contain enough for all the cell members for 2 days. Kendall mint cake, dried fruit/nuts, Super noodles, high energy, not meltable, and so foul you will not be tempted to eat it. SEAL IT
1 * Insect repellent
1 * Camera Small as possible, remember you must carry it.
3 * Camera films Remember film may be difficult/expensive to obtain locally
1 * Camera Case Protect the camera, it will be secured outside of a rucksack
1 Washing Line 10m of 5/10mm (brightly coloured) cord
1 Washing Up Liq. In a small (50ml Body Shop) bottle (ideally environmental)

CELL REQUIREMENTS (Continued)
No. Item Details .

1 Shampoo In a small ( Body Shop) bottle, one you all like
1 Toothpaste One everybody in your cell likes, in a small tube
1 Sewing Kit Needle, safety pins, heavy duty (button or sail) cotton thread.
1 Boot Lace (Tie it to a whistle)
2 Packet toilet paper Packets of soft loo paper are much better than loo rolls
1 Tin of Dubbin Nickwax, G-Wax, or real dubbin.
1 Scourer Small sponge/scourer is best
2 Mini Tin openers Or some method of opening tins, that you have proved works
1 Notebook & Pen For keeping a cell “diary” and writing postcards
1 Soap In a suitable container (soap dish/plastic bag/net bag)
1 Fabric Soap Either half a block or 50ml of Liquid with suitable container
1 Comb
1 * Bum Bag 1 per cell will do.
1 * Small dictionary Or phrase book


PERSONAL EQUIPMENT: - To be marked with your name.
No. Item Details .

1Pr. Walking Boots Minimum ‘B1’ level (able to take articulated crampons)
Suggested Brands: Zamberlan, Scarpa, Meindl. Boots must be ‘worn in’ prior to departure. For Summer Alpine walking ONLY, Gore-tex boots of the above brands may be used. If your feet are still growing, ‘Crispi’ produce a range of lower priced, but reasonable quality boots.

1 Cagool MUST be waterproof, Should be made of Gore-tex or similar.
Suggested Brands: Sprayway, Berghaus, The North Face, Lowe Alpine, Helly Hansen, Karrimor, Mountain Equipment. It should have a wired hood, and be in a bright colour.

1 Rucksack Minimum 50L, ideally 65-70L
Suggested Brands: Berghaus, Karrimore, MacPac, Lowe Alpine, North Face
With an internal frame, APS or similar back system, waist belt, ice axe loops and no zips.

1 Sleeping bag Minimum 3 season, ideally 4 season
Suggested brands: Rab, Mountain Equipment, MacPac, Vango, Ajungilak, North Face and others. ‘Mummy’ style, with a hood, and a compression sack.

PERSONAL EQUIPMENT: (Continued. Items marked with a ‘*’ are optional)
No. Item Details .

1 Day Rucksack Minimum 20L, ideally 30-40L. Brands as per main rucksack, Should have an internal frame, thick waist belt and ice axe loops.
1 Rucksack liner Or 2/3 heavy duty bin liners or garden rubbish sacks will do
1 Pr. Panniers Minimum 20L each
1 Kit bag A large kit bag or rucksack
1 Sleeping bag liner A (silk) liner to keep your sleeping bag clean, and you warm
2/3 * Stuff sacks Bits of tent, to keep dirty/clean cloths apart, used as a pillow
1 Sleeping Mat Minimum 1.5m/5’ long, Karrymat or ideally Therm-a-rest
1 Water Bottle Ideally BLUE Sigg (or Army type) - NOT plastic bike type
1 Set of Cutlery Metal - lightweight, knife, fork, spoon, that fit together
1 Mug Plastic - not metal/enamel (burns your hands and lips)
1 Pr.* Mess Tins Ideally oblong aluminum army type which fit together
1 * Plate/Bowl Depends on type of stove being used by your cell
1 Torch Ideally Petzl Headlight (or Maglite, maximum 2 cell)
1 Batteries At least one spare set
1 Survival bag Full length orange survival bag or a bothy (Not a bin liner)
1 Whistle Plastic, (not metal, it sticks to your lips in the cold)
1 Pr.* Walking Sticks Telescopic ski pole type
1 * Knee /Ankle brace Neoprene, if used.
1 * Tissues Small packet
1 * Wet Wipes Small packet
1 Sun Glasses Should have UV blocking
1 Money Belt Ideally suitable for a passport, or a secure (zip) wallet
1 Towel Ideally a viscose rayon Packtowel or a hand (Not bath) towel
1 Towel Beach or Bath towel
1 Toothbrush Suggest a collapsible one in it’s own case
1 * Razor For shaving
1 * Tampons Or similar
1 * Pills/Potions Your name and dosage must be on the packet, the leaders
must know what it is, and how to use it.
1 Passport It MUST be valid for 6 months after our return date.
1 Documents Driving licence, Credit Cards, I/D’s etc.
1 Membership form Which should have been given in before this list was issued
1 E111 European National health Form, STAMPED at the post office
1 * Address List List of addresses of people you wish to send postcards
1 Money In local currency and/or Travellers cheques


PERSONAL CLOTHING:
No. Item Details .

1 Scout Uniform FULL uniform, trousers/shirt/belt/scarf/woggle
1 Pr. Shoes For Scout uniform (Black or brown leather)
1 Scout Shirt Scout shirt and scarf/woggle ONLY
1 Scout Scarf Don’t forget the woggle
1 Pr.* Climbing shoes
1 * Climbing Helmet
1 * Climbing Harness
1 * Ice Pick If you have one, discuss with the leaders.
1 Pr.* Plastic Boots B2 or B3 level for fixed crampons
1 Pr.* Crampons Must be suitable and fitted for YOUR boots (Full length)
1 Pr Gaiters If ‘Yeti’ gaiters make sure they are suitable for your boots
2 Pr. Long Socks Thick wool, ideally Thor-lo or Bridgedale
2 Pr. Short Socks Thick wool, ideally Thor-lo or Bridgedale
2 Pr. Inner Socks Thin, Lycra/silk, ideally ‘Cool-Max’
2 Pr. Sports Socks Cotton or towelling
3 Pr. Pants/Knickers Cotton, silk, Lycra (no Nylon).
1 Pr.* Thermals Can be useful at night
1 Pr. Walking Trousers Ideally Rohan/Craghopper breeches, or Army/tracksuit trousers
1 Pr. Shorts Lycra or cotton, (ideally Rohan) swimming or football shorts
1 * Aerobics Top (Girls only) Sports bra, bikini top or similar
1 Swimming Stuff Girls - bikini bottoms rather than costume,
1 * Swimming Stuff Guys - either use the shorts above, or bring trunks.
2 T-shirts With Expedition Logo
1 * T-Shirt Without Expedition Logo
1 Shirt Cotton, long sleeve, Walking/lumberjack type.
1 Fleece Jacket Ideally Berghaus/N.Face (A thick wool jumper will do)
1 Pr. Gloves Thermal if possible, wool otherwise
1 Pr. Over Mitts As ‘waterproof’ as possible
1 Pr. Ski gloves
1 Pr. Inner gloves Thermal or wool to be worn inside over mitts or ski gloves
1 Hat Wool, fleece, balaclava, thermal if possible.
1 Sun Hat Wide brim, not a cap, must protect your ears and neck
1 Pr. Light boots/shoes Trainers/baseball boots/plimsols
1 Pr.* Camp Footware Lightweight sandals, Flip-flops, or espadrills type
1 * Headband For all those with long hair
Now weigh it all and then repack.

- All personal items are to be marked with your name -

Remember if you, or any member of your Cell, are missing ANY item from this list, please make sure the Leaders are aware, and we will see what we can do to obtain it.



UNIT EQUIPMENT - To be provided

Bothies
Unit Flag
Union Jack
Washing Line
Bush Saw
Hand axe
Felling Axe
Spade
Washing Up Bowl
Washing Up Liquid
Bin Liners
Water barrel
Water barrel holder/Towing handle/filling pipe/tap
Walkie Talkies
Walkie talkie Charger/power block/plugs
Radio
Ghetto Blaster
CD’s
Tapes
Video machine
TV
Videos
Binoculars
Big billies
Camp Cooker
Lantern
FUEL - Petrol/Parafin/Gas/meths
mantles
Candles
Flares
Carry Boxes
Cooking Equipment
1st Aid kit
tarpaulin
Puritabs
Indelible marker
Climbing gear (List)
copies of the Membership/Health forms
Home Contact number
Mobile and charger
Altimeter
Dining shelter
Patrol Tent
Pioneering poles
Pioneering rope
football

Spinar00ni

Braumeister

Thanks to Spinar for putting things into perspective...good suggestions, though, from other posters.

As for the gear list, it sounds like you might be going out for five days. You will be amazed by how much of this stuff you don't need.

My suggestion: look for pieces of gear that can fulfill more than one requirement you have, and ask yourself, "Do I really need this?" Some glaring examples I found after perusing your list:

3 camp towels & cotton towel
Leave ALL these behind! Buy yourself a PakTowl at your local outdoors shop; it's small, light, and dries in a flash. Take a bunch of napkins or folded up paper towels for cleaning up food messes in camp.

dirty laundry bag
Just stuff your dirty laundry in the bottom of your BOB bag.

pillow
Stuff your extra clothes (or even your dirty laundry) into your sleeping bag stuff sack. Unless I'm riding in the middle of summer, I usually take along a down sweater for early morning coffee and for resting my head at night.

air mattress
Unless you have something lightweight and non-bulky (like a ThermaRest) go with a closed-cell foam pad instead. It's not as comfortable, but it could shave off several ounces (maybe even pounds) from your gear load and drastically reduce your set-up and take-down time.

5 plastic spoons
One should do it. Also leave forks and knives behind (your camp knife will handle anything your spoon can't).

4 pr. swim trunks
? One should do it.

5 bandannas
5 headbands
Take two bandanas, or two headbands, or one bandana and one headband.

CO2 cartridges & gun
Ditch 'em, unless you're tour is also a race. Your hand pump will do just fine, and how many flats do you expect?

5 pr. cycling socks
2 pr. will do; wear a clean pair while your just-rinsed out dirty pair dries under the bungy cord on your trailer. Using Thorlos or Smartwools vs. cotton will greatly decrease the drying time.

5 pr. cycling shorts
2 pr. will do; see above.

PJ's
Unnecessary, if you have a decent sleeping bag. Use a pair of clean cotton underwear and maybe a cotton t-shirt if you have to.

A few items I would add:

camera & film (lightweight 35mm SLR)
camp spirits (a small bottle of single-malt scotch and a few cigars)
baseball cap (for combating helmet-hair)
maps
rain gear
fleece pants & down sweater (if weather will be chilly)

The above will reduce a lot of weight and a huge amount of space without reducing your comfort by any great lengths. And if you're touring someplace hilly, it'll make the climbs a little more enjoyable.

After the tour, go through ALL your gear and see just how much of it you DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH. Then ask yourself the following:

1. Is it a safety item I can't do without?
2. Can I leave it behind next time?

Good luck and have fun!

B.

sakarias

I echo Braumeister's suggestions for what to leave out and the philosophy behind it. We have gone out for 6 weeks starting with a comparable kit. Any more than that becomes a burden, in more ways than one.

I would suggest a metal spoon as plastic breaks too easily, if a spoon is necessary. Regarding food, use grocery stores as much as you can. Lots cheaper. If you do decide to eat in camp, at least sometimes, a small bowl or Sierra cup, small can opener (unless there is one on your multi-tool or Swiss Army knife) maybe a fork. Carry food with you so you can eat as you ride. Eat BEFORE you are hungry (and drink before you are thirsty).

I would probably leave out the scotch malt and cigars, personally.

For sleeping and keeping the inside of my sleeping bag clean from grimy legs, I use a pair of light weight long underwear bottoms, and set aside a clean tee-shirt for sleeping. (Cleaning a sleeping bag is a hassle I like to avoid, especially a down bag). otherwise, I tend to spend most all my time in bike clothes, and pull stuff over that for warmth. A pair of supplex nylon pants can cover up a lot, and add warmth for evening camp time over bike tights.

There ARE some things you should take for safety emergencies and roadside repairs that you may NEVER use. You still need to take them. You can go overboard here, too, as you can't really take things to repair ALL possible mechanical problems. There are things you can buy along the way, if you really need them. Bike tours generally take place in a civilized environment. People, businesses, restaurants, etc. can be used instead of hauling everything. I had to repair a wheel, on one tour. I hitched a ride to a nearby town with a bike shop.

In other words, if you find you are missing something, you can probably find a place to buy it enroute. If you are really worried about wanting/needing something and fear you might not find it along the route, then you should take it along. But, justify everything you take.

We once went on a month long river kayak trip on the Porcupine River in the northern Yukon Territory. There is only one small village on 300 miles of river, so we were on our own, period. We didn'e see anyone for a week (Much more isolated that one ever is on a bike trip. After the trip someone asked me if I forgot anything. I could honestly say that I did not regret taking anything we took and did not feel we were missing anything. It took a lot of years of practice to get to that level of confidence in packing for a trip, and a lot of thinking about gear and what to take/not to take on that particular trip, like you are doing, now.

Have a great trip, N_C.

pokey

Inflatable doll?