Help with touring dreams
#26
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50-60 miles per day is a vacation.
100 miles per day is an accomplishment.
Just decide which one you want.
Different people prefer different roads. Some people like the broad shoulders and gentle slopes and direct lines of the main roads, and hate the close traffic and unending hills and extra distance of the small roads. Others hate the noise and constant traffic and debris-filled shoulders of the main road, and love the rural scenery and peacefulness and intimacy and quaint towns of the small roads. I think more people are in the second category (including me), but the first category has its devotees.
100 miles per day is an accomplishment.
Just decide which one you want.
Different people prefer different roads. Some people like the broad shoulders and gentle slopes and direct lines of the main roads, and hate the close traffic and unending hills and extra distance of the small roads. Others hate the noise and constant traffic and debris-filled shoulders of the main road, and love the rural scenery and peacefulness and intimacy and quaint towns of the small roads. I think more people are in the second category (including me), but the first category has its devotees.
#27
I usually average 50 - 80 miles a day on a loaded tour.
As others have said, I'd look into a different bike than the one you mentioned. Have a boo at the touring section of VeloWeb.
As others have said, I'd look into a different bike than the one you mentioned. Have a boo at the touring section of VeloWeb.
#28
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I actually ended up deciding and buying the trek 2.1 After i rode it. I really ended up loving it because it is a little quicker then the trek. I ended up taking it for like about 25 miles. Through all different road types. I have came to the conclusion that i am a nervous rider as of right now. Cars just kinda ignore the fact that you are on a bike and they are in a car. Also was a ridiculously fun bike ride though. I was like sprinting down a hill and totally was going like 35 down a hill. It was a blast. However the trek is VERY RESPONSIVE to the road. My Ass feels like i have just be pounded like a porn star. (is that inappropiate for this forum?) Thank you for all the insight. Now what should i bring? I have kinda determined that i need to stick to roads with a shoulder.
#29
Let's see, you bought a bike with a short wheelbase that needs more input to track straight and you're nervous in traffic. Plus no way to easily attach fenders and racks or run wider tyres.
Hmmmmm.
Good planning, so far.
Hmmmmm.
Good planning, so far.
#30
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Type 1 or type 2? Put me down as a 1.5
I did a tour with a 108 mile day followed by an 84 mile day, also finished the final day with 63 miles by 11 AM. The next year I covered about half the route in the same time - much lower mileage, but more time for seeing the sights. I halved the mileage but doubled the knowledge and enjoyment.
If I do about 70-80 miles a day I can get plenty of exercise, and still have time for sight seeing and poking around. Ride into any small town in the morning and find the local cafe - it will be the one with all the pickups parked out front. It has always been an interesting second breakfast.
I did a tour with a 108 mile day followed by an 84 mile day, also finished the final day with 63 miles by 11 AM. The next year I covered about half the route in the same time - much lower mileage, but more time for seeing the sights. I halved the mileage but doubled the knowledge and enjoyment.
If I do about 70-80 miles a day I can get plenty of exercise, and still have time for sight seeing and poking around. Ride into any small town in the morning and find the local cafe - it will be the one with all the pickups parked out front. It has always been an interesting second breakfast.
#31
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Randochap. Thanks for your words of encouragement.
As of right now i am nervous in traffic because i am a noob to this. I would assume as i keep riding i will get more and more comfortable in traffic. When i was looking at what i wanted in a bike the trek 2.1 is a perfect fit. It is light, quick and affordable. It is also a great short distance bike for getting to school and work because i can get it up to a pretty good speed and just cruises over hills. Plus if i wanted it too i can take it on a tour.
Also i am riding with a friend who has a trailer. Our plans are to take turns pulling the trailer between our two bikes. He has a specialized allez elite. I don't know what year though. We will be hooking up with a third who has a touring bike, not a road bike like us two that will definately help out alot with gear.
I am not worried about carrying gear on the actual bike. I will just put it on the trailer.
As of right now i am nervous in traffic because i am a noob to this. I would assume as i keep riding i will get more and more comfortable in traffic. When i was looking at what i wanted in a bike the trek 2.1 is a perfect fit. It is light, quick and affordable. It is also a great short distance bike for getting to school and work because i can get it up to a pretty good speed and just cruises over hills. Plus if i wanted it too i can take it on a tour.
Also i am riding with a friend who has a trailer. Our plans are to take turns pulling the trailer between our two bikes. He has a specialized allez elite. I don't know what year though. We will be hooking up with a third who has a touring bike, not a road bike like us two that will definately help out alot with gear.
I am not worried about carrying gear on the actual bike. I will just put it on the trailer.
#32
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Riding a bike is a physical skill, and it's not just a matter of balancing while you hold the handlebars. On my bike (which has fairly stable handling), it takes a pretty large twitch or wiggle or lean to affect the steering. This is good, because it gives me margin for error. It's plenty *capable* of tight handling, but it is most responsive to good form... if I lean into a turn, I get a tight turn. It feels unstable if I try to make a tight turn with a pedal down to the inside. Switch things so the pedals are parallel to the ground, and the turn feels better. Do a clunky noob turn where I'm trying to stay straight up, and I get a *very* wide turn. Do idiot noob wriggling on the saddle, and the bike stays pretty stable. Do a half stand, or go into a butt back descent, and things get *very* responsive right quick. Make a seated descent, and I don't build speed very fast, and have much calmer steering. (well aside from the potholes... I often take descents the responsive way so I'm less tempted to brake, and so I can dodge potholes better... which is the bike pushing me towards good form again.)
When you're jumpy around traffic, it's dangerous to have a bike that's more responsive than you can handle. If the steering changes with every twitch, it leaves you feeling more stressed, and it's very easy to make a mistake. Depending on what noob mistakes you're making, it might be that 90% or more of your reaction to traffic is due to your tension, and your unfamiliarity with bike handling. Getting into an accident because you were oversteering is not much fun.
Part of why everyone suggested a more touring oriented bike is because they're still plenty responsive and fast. But a good one has the calmer response of my bike, so the bike helps you learn good riding form. Hitting 35mph on my bike is no big deal... most any bike can do it on a downhill without pedaling. The fast that matters IME is how fast you get *up* hills. And the slow speed handling of going uphill is an area where a new rider really benefits from a stable bike.
#33
You are welcome. But what I proffered, as did others, was straight talk, based in my case on more than 40 years in the saddle.
There is little doubt (though there is more, based on your first report) that you can accomplish this trip on a less-than-ideal machine, but questions remain, such as how you'll attach such accessories as fenders -- not "race blades", real fenders and wider tyres.
As you have chosen to haul a trailer, you won't have to deal with the fact that you can't easily attach a rack. That's a personal decision, but I'd never consider a trailer, which, IMO, completely destroys the handling of a bicycle. I am partial to a properly packed bike w/ front (lowrider) and rear panniers, which can actually improve handling/cornering.
If you are so inclined, you can peruse more words of encouragement on my page about touring bikes.
Good luck and tailwinds.
There is little doubt (though there is more, based on your first report) that you can accomplish this trip on a less-than-ideal machine, but questions remain, such as how you'll attach such accessories as fenders -- not "race blades", real fenders and wider tyres.
As you have chosen to haul a trailer, you won't have to deal with the fact that you can't easily attach a rack. That's a personal decision, but I'd never consider a trailer, which, IMO, completely destroys the handling of a bicycle. I am partial to a properly packed bike w/ front (lowrider) and rear panniers, which can actually improve handling/cornering.
If you are so inclined, you can peruse more words of encouragement on my page about touring bikes.
Good luck and tailwinds.




