Expired Passport- Attempt Under the Radar Crossing into Canada?
I am leaving in less than a week from Missoula, Montana for a tour with a couple people. We were considering a ride to Banff.
As of June 1st, 2009 the new rule is that to cross the border by land you need to have an up to date passport, and mine expired in March. My question is, should I a) Think of a new route? or b) Keep route to Banff and try to "unofficially" the border somewhere/somehow. I mean there is a lot of room up there and I'll be on a bike. The other 2 people both have current passports. Suggestions? Thanks a lot. |
If you like body cavity searches, water boarding and Guantanamo Bay, by all means attempt to sneak across the border.
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you might be able to get out, but getting back in could be problematic... i'd stay stateside, but then again i like my DNA to stay out of Federal databases...
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Really, really, really bad idea! I know some customs and border officials and they don't find that kind of thing amusing....if you get caught you could be in deep s***.
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I wouldn't try to sneak across the border. You'd have to do it twice, and if something happens you could get nailed. I'd either pick a different route or reschedule the trip. Plenty of other places to go.
FYI expedited passport service is around 2-3 weeks. |
Check some of the expedited passport services-I got mine in a couple days back in 2002 when I had a short notice trip to the UK. Costs a premium, but it is better than the above mentioned full cavity search. I have traveled to and from Canada at least 50 times in the last couple years, and re-admittance to the U.S. is definitely more strict than it used to be.
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A couple of years ago, I was riding around Lake Erie (with passport). On the US side, on a small road near the lake, I was passed by a border patrol agent who slowed to ask me how things were going and where I was headed. He was speaking through the rolled-down window of his SUV while driving along beside me at about 10 mph. It was normal chit-chat that I encounter lots of times while riding fully loaded. It wasn't an investigation or anything.
I asked him what he was doing so far away from a border and he reminded me that he is patrolling the US/Canadian border. My point is that there are patrols along the northern border. I'm sure you're unlikely to see one but I wouldn't take my chances. |
We've had months of warning about the June 1st deadline. There have been radio announcements about the importance of renewing our passports for at least the past 6 months. And the border guards have been preparing for this.
I wouldn't take the chance for a bicycle ride. I don't think you'd end up with cavity searches or anything like that ... but I do think you'd end up with a hefty fine, and it would likely be a lot of years before you'd be allowed back in Canada again, and you'd have a note on your information that will follow you and create suspicion if you ever try to go to another country again. |
Can you get an 'enhanced' driver's license? Some states have those to let people back into the US from Canada/Mexico (that's your main problem, that the US won't let you back, although maybe Canada wouldn't let you in if they don't think you'll be able to get out). If you can get one of those licenses, maybe can get it faster than a new passport.
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My wife submitted an application for a new passport at the local post office on December 27th of last year. She had her new passport 10 days later and that included the New Year's holiday. There may still be time to get your passport renewed.
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Decision Made
Decision made. No passport means I won't go to Canada. I'll try to send the renewal form ASAP.
Thanks for talking some sense into me. I have had a few run ins with johnny law and none of them would I categorize as a good time. It just seemed like a cool trip. Too bad there is no more open border. :( Thanks for all the replies! |
Originally Posted by bbbeans
(Post 9028743)
I am leaving in less than a week from Missoula, Montana for a tour with a couple people. We were considering a ride to Banff.
As of June 1st, 2009 the new rule is that to cross the border by land you need to have an up to date passport, and mine expired in March. My question is, should I a) Think of a new route? or b) Keep route to Banff and try to "unofficially" the border somewhere/somehow. I mean there is a lot of room up there and I'll be on a bike. The other 2 people both have current passports. Suggestions? Thanks a lot. (edit) Oh, you already did.(/edit) Speedo |
Originally Posted by bbbeans
(Post 9028743)
I am leaving in less than a week from Missoula, Montana for a tour with a couple people.
p.s. I agree with others that it would have been a bad idea to sneak across the border... |
Originally Posted by mev
(Post 9029670)
Sounds like you already have a solution, but for what its worth, the expedited passport services are surprisingly fast....
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport...sing_1740.html |
Keep in mind that it's two different boarder crossings.
Google is your friend. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1082.html U.S. citizen travelers to Canada do not have a passport, passport card or approved alternate document such as a NEXUS card, they must show a government-issued photo ID (e.g. Driver’s License) and proof of U.S. citizenship such as a U.S. birth certificate, naturalization certificate, or expired U.S. passport. The following indicates an "enhanced driver's license" would be sufficient. (A "passport cards" is the same as a passport for entering into Canada.) Starting June 1, 2009, all travelers must present a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) compliant document such as a passport or a passport card for entry to the United States. While passport cards and enhanced driver’s licenses are sufficient for entry into the United States... http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt...card_3921.html Information about "enhanced drivers licenses". http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/crossing...575704846.shtm Information about entering Canada. http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/security-securite/admiss-eng.html If you are a citizen of the United States, you do not need a passport to enter Canada. However, you should carry proof of your citizenship, such as a birth certificate, certificate of citizenship or naturalization, as well as photo identification. While I would not recommend it, I bet you would not have much trouble getting back into the US. Maybe, you should call the office at the boarder crossing you plan to cross at. If you do try it, I would recommend being open about it (don't "sneak" anywhere!). |
I heard on a Toronto radio station yesterday that they're still letting people though for now. Unofficial grace period.
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Originally Posted by bbbeans
(Post 9028743)
I am leaving in less than a week from Missoula, Montana for a tour with a couple people. We were considering a ride to Banff.
As of June 1st, 2009 the new rule is that to cross the border by land you need to have an up to date passport, and mine expired in March. My question is, should I a) Think of a new route? or b) Keep route to Banff and try to "unofficially" the border somewhere/somehow. I mean there is a lot of room up there and I'll be on a bike. The other 2 people both have current passports. Suggestions? Thanks a lot. |
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
(Post 9029809)
High demand for passports has slowed down processing times. IIRC this resulted in pushing back the deadline several times. Waits are officially 4-6 weeks for a standard passport, 2-3 expedited.
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport...sing_1740.html I used this type of company once for a rush on a lost passport and a few times for help getting visas for countries that sometimes have awkward rules that you want to get right. You pay some more, but they seem to be able to get things surprisingly quickly. I don't know if that applies in current climate or not. [*] I know nothing of the particular company I picked, it was an example that came up in google search. |
yahoo had an article yesterday about this. its so new that the dont expect 100% compliance till about october-november... so i say ride on.
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Uh, if you're a US citizen and you are found on US soil what's the big deal?
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Border guards generally don't have much of a sense of humor while on the job. Be smart and don't F!@# with them.
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Originally Posted by kuan
(Post 9031197)
Uh, if you're a US citizen and you are found on US soil what's the big deal?
So, you know, if the border patrol wants to make it a big deal, they're certainly capable. |
Originally Posted by kuan
(Post 9031197)
Uh, if you're a US citizen and you are found on US soil what's the big deal?
You're having trouble following the conversation ... he was thinking of sneaking across the border into Canada at some place other than the official border crossings and then heading up to Banff. Then sneaking back across the border into the US again. Probably not a good idea. He might not get caught doing that, but if he were there would be long-lasting and expensive results. Now, however, he has decided to just stay in the US. And to the OP, I recommend the Logan's Pass area ... it's pretty and there are some good areas to cycle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/1430288...7606589046925/ |
Originally Posted by kuan
(Post 9031197)
Uh, if you're a US citizen and you are found on US soil what's the big deal?
I suggest to you that no one can land on Canadian soil without official "approval and permission" from CCRA types either. I have seen folks at the border (Canadian soil side) waiting for a friend being detained by CCRA at the Canadian port of entry (Emerson, MB - actually at West Lynn, MB). I have also read about US fellows arrested in Gretna, MB and Altona, MB for entering Canada illegally (aka without "permission and approval").. They took their chances and then were arrested - and charged under Canada's Criminal Code for being in possession of things illegal to possess in Canada and under the Canada Customs Act for failing to declare and ..... They took their chances - and lost out :-( While an individual Border Control agent may be lenient, that is their discretion and they DO NOT need to be lenient. |
I have heard unofficial grace period, even on the news today, and hey, theres always the game of playing dumb and not realizing it was expired.
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Originally Posted by sleizure
(Post 9032130)
I have heard unofficial grace period, even on the news today, and hey, theres always the game of playing dumb and not realizing it was expired.
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Comatose...
Yup, Machka, no one has a monopoly on being dumb. Sometimes reading the BF threads is a LOT better than reading Mad Magazine :-)
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Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 9032131)
Oh let's see ... regular announcements all over the media about it since January, if not earlier. How "dumb" would you have to play it? "I was in a coma for the past 6 months"?
I was under the impression that a passport was required for entry into the US since around 2007. |
Originally Posted by Lord Chambers
(Post 9032174)
This is the first I've heard of it. All those media announcements missed me.
I was under the impression that a passport was required for entry into the US since around 2007. The 2007 thing was for air travel, but if you were travelling by land you could still present a driver's licence and birth certificate. However, as of yesterday, you need a passport (or enhanced driver's licence or a couple other things) if you were travelling by land. I'm now beginning to wonder if there will be a few people caught off-guard. But here's one of the media releases from the beginning of March 2009: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/media/rel...03-04-eng.html And another media release from January 31, 2008 http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/...80131-eng.aspx So this has been announced for some time. I go here fairly often to take a look at the travel situations around the world ... including updated entry requirements. There's a "Key Information" section on the right, and on the left there's a "Travel Reports and Warnings" section. If you look up United States there, you'll see several things, but the new entry requirements is one of those things. The whole site is full of useful travel information. http://www.voyage.gc.ca/index-eng.asp |
The problem is America is becoming eerily similar to it's cold war counterparts in regards to travel. Papers? Where's your papers, comrade? :( . . . I don't know oskafir..... my dog ate them. Off to "questioning" you go.
All in the name of "security". Security from what? It appears our worst enemies are always from within. Look at how Minnesota and Indiana is treating truckers with a so-called survey when stopped on the road. http://www.landlinenow.com/2009/04/c...alled_17.shtml If you refuse the "survey".... they shut you down. |
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