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Old 10-09-09 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hoosae
No matter what road we were on, whether busy or almost deserted, whenever a car passed it would come within inches of clipping the bikes. On one occasion we were travelling along a quiet road with four lanes (two in each direction) and a car insisted on passing in the same lane as us even though there were three other empty lanes outside us. Collisions were a real worry for us and we would have at least one near-accident a day. I lost count of the number of times we were forced off the road by careless drivers who simply did not seem to see us there.
i found italian drivers give a wide berth on country roads. many would tap their horns and cheer us on in a celebratory manner, as if we were accomplishing something great, like working toward winning a stage of the giro. there is a passion for cycling there that is like no other!
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Old 10-10-09 | 01:04 PM
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maybe we there at the same time?
we just finished a quickie tour from florence to siena and then over to volterra, out to the coast, and then trained to piombino for the ferry to elba.
-loved florence, siena not as much, but a beautiful city.
-elba, especially the far side of the island, is cycling heaven. they were doing an iron man the weekend we were there. the elbaman!
-the drivers were surprisingly good, and we ended up on some tough uphills with little or no shoulder with heavyish traffic. we thought we might have been the only ones crazy enough to be on roads like that but there were other cyclists who didn't seem to give it a second thought.
-after a couple of weeks we felt that we were just getting gouged in every restaurant we went into. a cuperto (1-2 euro cover charge!) just to eat there, if we wanted water HAD to order bottled for another 2-3 euros. bread? another 2-3 euros.
-granted we were MOSTLY in touristy places, but after a while we felt part of some larger occupying army. maybe because it was the end of the seasons and the locals were just getting tired of all the americans and germans (mostly germans) we found most people to be indifferent or just clearly OVER us, if not rude.
-also we had folding bikes that we were able to finagle onto all the different types of trains by folding them and putting them into bags. i've toured europe (france) with a full size bike and folder and i think its a toss up in terms of logistics. the folders were better for the fast trains in italy, but i was able to just zip up my full size tourer in a "housse" and put it on the TGV when i needed to. certainly a bike in a suitcase is easier to get around the airports etc. with BUT you have to find a place for the suitcase. or ditch it when you get to your destination and bring along a durable "housse" for the trains and then fly back with the bike assembled like a full size bike but with the handlebars turned and the pedals taken off etc. usually you can do that on an international flight with little problem. also less of an issue if your bike gets damaged on the way home than if it gets damaged on the way THERE.
-we used the lonely planet italy book to help get us around. this is a brand new book and i hope it gets a second printing with better information as to directions etc. we met another couple also from california trying to get out of florence using the same BAD cue sheet/directions. lots of other small and large mistakes in that book as well. so its a recommend only in sofar as its overall routes. the details of which you're best researching before hand. whipped out the iphone multiple times on this trip to figure out where we were.
-italy is hilly.
-one awesome restaurant in florence (no cuperto) and one great pizza by the slice place in rome, otherwise the restaurant food was by and large not that great. again, maybe it was just our experience...i feel like a heretic! or just spoiled by bounty of california farmer's markets and foodie culture.
-saw ONE bike shop. and it was small and didn't have much.
-bring your own advil or any other meds you think you might want or need.
-BRING BUGPSRAY!!!
-one of our favorite things was riding around ROME at night. sounds crazy but its thrilling. just be careful. rome at night is amazing!! one of the favorite parts of the trip!
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Old 10-12-09 | 08:31 PM
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Great thread, thanks sandybar. If CC touring Italy, how much $/day when staying in nice, simple places? Also, are there any notable Italian randonnee builders?
When all was said and done, I averaged about 100 bucks a day, that was eating a nice dinner, eating breakfast & lunch from the markets, staying at inexpensive but decent hotels, and including train fares (not very expensive) You could get by on less, but as I mentioned, I did not find camping to be that desirable. Watch the low end hostels in Rome, some are real flea bags.

One more note:

Communication - I thought I could get by without a cell phone on my trip to Italy. Hell, I don't even get cell phone reception where I live (a remote corner of California), so I only use a cell phone occasionaly, when I'm in the nearest town running errand. I also would prefer to really be "away" when I'm on a bike trip - i.e. not easily reachable, on an adventure without knowing exactly what's ahead and taking my chances. Well guess again. Even if you don't want to bring a cell phone the world expects you to have one. Example - My wife's luggage was misplaced on the flight to Florence and they would not deliver it unless we had a cell phone. We had several hassles, mostly around the luggage issue, that could only be resolved with a cell phone. We ended up buying one there, a relatively painless process. It really did come in handy for making hotel reservations for towns that I was heading to. I brought an i-Touch with me, thinking that I could use it to check e-mail and use Skype occasionally- Nope! First of all, there is no such thing as free WIFI hotspots in Italy, you have to pay for any internet connection at an internet point. Second, the one place that did offer paid WIFI did not work for my i-Touch, the connection kept dropping. It;s OK, it was worth it to have the e-books and photos of home that I could show folks, but don't count on an i-touch for communication. I read that using an American i-Phone in Europe is prohibitively expensive, but don't have any experience with this.

I hope to post a few photos soon, having problem getting them off my cell phone (that's another story).
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Old 10-13-09 | 11:41 PM
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for 30-40 euro/day, you can stay in nice hostels, buy road food from the markets (fruit, fresh baguettes, cheeze, cold cuts, so on), eat a imbiss-type restaurant dinner, and all the cappuccino you can drink. it depends heavily on your skills and your standards. i wouldn't call "hotels" and four-star dining bike touring, but i suppose there are different schools of thought on this. in 27 days, i stayed in one hotel, one pension, and lots of hostels. it's not like you'll be hanging out in the hotel when there's so much to see- why pay so much for a few hours sleep and a shower when you get the same from a hostel?
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