Pictures of your loaded rigs?
#1628
weirdo
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From: Reno, NV
#1632
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Bikes: Serotta Legend Ti, Surly Long Haul Trucker, Specialized Epic
#1634
oren_hershco
Joined: May 2006
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From: Hod-HaSharon, 25min from Tel-Aviv, ISAREL
Bikes: Niner EMD , carbon rigid fork
Our rigs:
From our last tour in Argentina and Chile (the lakes district)
Mine's the Cannondale, Hers is the KHS.
I do have a touring bike at home, but for this trip, with lots of off-road riding, we prefered the mountain bikes.
Oren
Mine's the Cannondale, Hers is the KHS.
I do have a touring bike at home, but for this trip, with lots of off-road riding, we prefered the mountain bikes.
Oren
#1635
the uncarved block
Joined: Feb 2008
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From: on the road
Bikes: '13 Surly Troll (touring), '74 Peugeot PX-10E (fixed gear), '94 Mongoose Rockadile (trail)
#1636
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From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Bikes: Santa Cruze Superlight, Scott Spark, Surly LHT, Surly Krampus.
Nice set up Oren! Tell me more about that trailer, do you like it?
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#1638
oren_hershco
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From: Hod-HaSharon, 25min from Tel-Aviv, ISAREL
Bikes: Niner EMD , carbon rigid fork
This is my second trip using a mountain-bike + trailer setup. After riding the Carretera Austral in Chile in 2005, on my touring bike, I realized MTB's are superior at this type of terrain (gravel roads with loose surface and "waves" effect)
This specific trailer was named Carry Freedom Y-frame, but is now sold under the name "Wandertec" (https://www.biketrailershop.com/catal...000-p-379.html)
Two wheel trailers have some disadvantages over the more popular single wheel BOBs:
-They are wider, which causes a problem in city rides and on technical trails;
-They don't track the rear wheel like the BOB, so you need to be cautious in tight turns;
-And the worst thing: they can flip over.
There are some advantages:
-The Y-frame is as-light-as the BOBs, but can carry more weight and bigger items;
-It doesn't affect the bike handling like single-wheel trailers (which have to tilt with the bike), so all you feel is the extra weight, but the handling is like that of an empty bike;
-You can lean the bike wherever you want, or even on the ground (a tricky task with BOBs);
-You can quickly attach / disattach the trailer while it's loaded (No-no with single wheel trailers)
-You can use the trailer to haul the bike/s on airports and bus terminals, when they are boxed (a nightmare in trips)
-And, unlike BOBs, it folds flat for transportation.
In one sentence: in smoother the terrain, the two-wheel trailers are better. On really difficult off-road terrain, single-wheels are better.
I learned that the two major guidlines for avoiding flip-over are:
a. pack the heavier items as low as possible.
b. use low-enough air pressure on the trailer wheels. High air pressure increases the chanses of flipping-over. On the last trip I used Shwalbe Big Apple tires, which are very soft and have a big volume. This allowed me to reduce air pressure to a level where they act like good suspention, and still have low enough rolling resistance.
Weight: the Y-frame weights 6kg (BOB yak is ~5.5kg) Considering you give up racks and panniers, and that you can use a light bike with light wheels, the weight penalty of the trailer is not that terrible.
Oren
This specific trailer was named Carry Freedom Y-frame, but is now sold under the name "Wandertec" (https://www.biketrailershop.com/catal...000-p-379.html)
Two wheel trailers have some disadvantages over the more popular single wheel BOBs:
-They are wider, which causes a problem in city rides and on technical trails;
-They don't track the rear wheel like the BOB, so you need to be cautious in tight turns;
-And the worst thing: they can flip over.
There are some advantages:
-The Y-frame is as-light-as the BOBs, but can carry more weight and bigger items;
-It doesn't affect the bike handling like single-wheel trailers (which have to tilt with the bike), so all you feel is the extra weight, but the handling is like that of an empty bike;
-You can lean the bike wherever you want, or even on the ground (a tricky task with BOBs);
-You can quickly attach / disattach the trailer while it's loaded (No-no with single wheel trailers)
-You can use the trailer to haul the bike/s on airports and bus terminals, when they are boxed (a nightmare in trips)
-And, unlike BOBs, it folds flat for transportation.
In one sentence: in smoother the terrain, the two-wheel trailers are better. On really difficult off-road terrain, single-wheels are better.
I learned that the two major guidlines for avoiding flip-over are:
a. pack the heavier items as low as possible.
b. use low-enough air pressure on the trailer wheels. High air pressure increases the chanses of flipping-over. On the last trip I used Shwalbe Big Apple tires, which are very soft and have a big volume. This allowed me to reduce air pressure to a level where they act like good suspention, and still have low enough rolling resistance.
Weight: the Y-frame weights 6kg (BOB yak is ~5.5kg) Considering you give up racks and panniers, and that you can use a light bike with light wheels, the weight penalty of the trailer is not that terrible.
Oren
#1639
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From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Bikes: Santa Cruze Superlight, Scott Spark, Surly LHT, Surly Krampus.
Thanks for the detailed reply Oren, I did ~1000 miles of the GDT with a fully suspended superlight and a bob yak. I have not seen your trailer in use, it looks interesting, going to read up more now.
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#1641
oren_hershco
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From: Hod-HaSharon, 25min from Tel-Aviv, ISAREL
Bikes: Niner EMD , carbon rigid fork
The panniers where bought at REI, in 1995. They where made by Overland Equipment, from Chico, CA. I still regeret not buying their front panniers too.
They are not waterproof like ortlieb, but from any other point of view I think they are better:
- Their shape enables you to put lots of stuff inside (You need to roll the top of the ortliebs, so they are more limited)
- They have outer pockets
- Their clamping mechanism is base on simple hooks, rings and velcro straps, which means you can fix them on any point on Earth. The ortliebs has all sort of plastic parts, which will be very hard to fix when they break down.
Link: https://www.overlandequipment.com/
I'm not sure they still make bicycle panniers.
Oren
They are not waterproof like ortlieb, but from any other point of view I think they are better:
- Their shape enables you to put lots of stuff inside (You need to roll the top of the ortliebs, so they are more limited)
- They have outer pockets
- Their clamping mechanism is base on simple hooks, rings and velcro straps, which means you can fix them on any point on Earth. The ortliebs has all sort of plastic parts, which will be very hard to fix when they break down.
Link: https://www.overlandequipment.com/
I'm not sure they still make bicycle panniers.
Oren
#1642
Here are some pics of my loaded Cannondale T-2000 bike during a NYC to Chicago bike trek in 1997. Includes Blackburn racks front and back topped off with Jannd panniers. This bike has treated me well and is a great riding machine.

Above pic taken in Griffith, Indiana on the last day (June 9) of the tour before reaching Chicago later that afternoon.
Above pic taken the morning of the first day (May 18) of the ride at my friend's home in Clifton, New Jersey.

Above pic taken in Griffith, Indiana on the last day (June 9) of the tour before reaching Chicago later that afternoon.
Above pic taken the morning of the first day (May 18) of the ride at my friend's home in Clifton, New Jersey.
Sorry, this is about 4-5 years too late, but, it just caught my eye, you stopped in Griffith, IN...MY HOMETOWN!
#1643
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Joined: Jul 2004
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From: @ the beach, NC
Bikes: Surly Cross Check, Thorn Sherpa
Not loaded. Hope that's ok. Latest on my Thorn Sherpa. Taking off June 20 to do a Trans-Am and then off to India and then we'll see what happens. You can see the evolution on the bike here: https://ericvithalani.wordpress.com/bike/
#1644
Not loaded. Hope that's ok. Latest on my Thorn Sherpa. Taking off June 20 to do a Trans-Am and then off to India and then we'll see what happens. You can see the evolution on the bike here: https://ericvithalani.wordpress.com/bike/


#1646
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From: Boise, ID.
Just bought this Cannondale t700 before xmas for $175. In the middle of installing crosstop brake levers/re-wrapping bars/new cables all while saving for a new technomic stem and a brooks saddle.
#1648
Not loaded. Hope that's ok. Latest on my Thorn Sherpa. Taking off June 20 to do a Trans-Am and then off to India and then we'll see what happens. You can see the evolution on the bike here: https://ericvithalani.wordpress.com/bike/


#1649
the uncarved block
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Bikes: '13 Surly Troll (touring), '74 Peugeot PX-10E (fixed gear), '94 Mongoose Rockadile (trail)
#1650
Decided to de convert my '87 Kuwahara Cascade from a fixed gear tourer to a fully geared tourer (and somewhere an angel got it's wings) and am getting really close to having her finished.
I have a 1988 Shasta which is almost identical that is living life as a fixed gear and could not see the sense in having two nearly identical bikes.
The Cascade really is an expedition bike with it's hand built quad butted Ishiwata frame and touring geometry and was sold / marketed as an mtb with flat bars and an 18 speed drivetrain back in '87.
I test rode a later model Miyata 1000 and found that it just did not compare in the ride department... Kuwahara made some really nice lugged frames in the mid to late 80's and this was the crown jewel in their line up.
The Cascade rides better dry, the 26 inch wheels offer a very nice ride and are bombproof, and know from experience that this bike loves to be loaded up... with a gear range of 21 to 109 it should take me anywhere I want to go be that for 100 or 1000 miles.
I always joke that as long as I have my Kuwaharas I won't need to look at a Surly.
Crappy cel phone pic...

Now...to find or fabricate some nicer racks and wait for spring.
I have a 1988 Shasta which is almost identical that is living life as a fixed gear and could not see the sense in having two nearly identical bikes.
The Cascade really is an expedition bike with it's hand built quad butted Ishiwata frame and touring geometry and was sold / marketed as an mtb with flat bars and an 18 speed drivetrain back in '87.
I test rode a later model Miyata 1000 and found that it just did not compare in the ride department... Kuwahara made some really nice lugged frames in the mid to late 80's and this was the crown jewel in their line up.
The Cascade rides better dry, the 26 inch wheels offer a very nice ride and are bombproof, and know from experience that this bike loves to be loaded up... with a gear range of 21 to 109 it should take me anywhere I want to go be that for 100 or 1000 miles.
I always joke that as long as I have my Kuwaharas I won't need to look at a Surly.
Crappy cel phone pic...

Now...to find or fabricate some nicer racks and wait for spring.





