Bourbon sounds like a better option -- lighter, more concentrated, more alcohol and doesn't need to be cold.

So politically incorrect!! Be careful you may end up in the group category called boring guys, antisocial or even anti-system! Criticizing the main drug market... risky... Don’t be surprise if you get a flat tire pretty soon...

Anyway I do agree with you. I do understand that people have different metabolism but hydration and good feeling in the morning is for me more important than the good feeling following for 10 min the first injection of this drug.

As every drug, Alcool is probably good for some organs in the body and bad for others. I am pretty sure that the alcohol industry via foundations had spent money showing that it is good for something. They probably also spent some money diffusing these results too. I never read the original publications but I have heard that it is supposed to be good to prevent heart diseases. Extrapolating to the entire body... I am not sure...
Anyway I imagine that the cohorts of these studies have more chance of being epileptic post-menopausal people with Crohn's disease than the saddle-sore touring community.

Most important is the brain health! feel free to get alcohol but forgive me if I do not participate in the alcohol apologia and I drink a big glass of water with Grenadine syrup and two cubes of ice...

Alcohol has been proven (several times now, from several different studies) to have a positive effect on ones health when consumed in moderation. Something like two standard drinks a day has been proven to lower ones risk of death from cardiovascular disease substantially.

That's not to say that it isn't a toxin, and that higher doses of it can't cause problems, but just that in moderation, it seems to have a positive effect on health.

As far as the beer itself goes, yeasts can ferment up to 27% with a little coaxing, although I wouldn't be surprised if the technique in question used a non-traditional yeast, considering how different of a process it is than traditional beer.

I do however see no reason to doubt their claim that it is simply fermented beer concentrate, as opposed to absolute ethanol with flavor added. I've known people who have tried to make beer that way (serious, professional people with degrees in the field) and it's always turned out hideous.

Thanks for the reference: The question is where is the moderation?:rolleyes:
Let's see: (Sorry for going into detail, but I cannot resist)
What are the groups in this paper:
* <1drink/week: these are people who never drink except one glass of wine at a wedding and one for Christmas.
* >1 to <6 drinks: people who don’t regularly drink but like getting one drink or two time to time.
* >1/day a day: people who drink regularly.
Between no drink at all and people who drink with moderation(>1 to <6 drinks ) the decrease of risk is 29% but they are not sure if it is really true( "borderline significant (P=.05)").

Here is the fun part: From the results part:
and becomes the following in the abstract: (scientific publication are so much fun!! )They forgot “from 1 drink per day at baseline to 2 drinks per day” in the abstract….probably not intentional… They didn’t think that with such mistake they would become a world reference and make a greater university career.
Anyway that is a significant increase for people who consume 2drink/day !
2drink/day is not effectively 2beer/day, these are people who drink once a day and then drink sometime two or more when in good company. And people who consume 1drink/day do not drink every day.

In conclusion:
- Not to drink at all does not help with heart disease:notamused:
- :thumb:People who don’t drink regularly but don’t mind getting a drink time to time are the most healthy ones. Here is the Moderation :beer:
-People who drink every day have significant increase of getting heart disease. :eek::notamused::mad::crash:
It is interesting to see the transformation of the message from the results part, to the abstract, to the message in the media. And finally, people use it to justify that they drink every day….

Of course people who have interests in making us alcoholic (Alcohol industry and others…) have nothing to do with this misunderstanding.:innocent:
Forgive me for this long boring message...

I am dreaming now that I am saving few people lifes from heart disease with this message….:rolleyes:

Headaches and dehydration? Alcoholics? Yeesh! We're talking about a beer or two in the evening, not getting tanked all night and being hung over and dehydrated the next day.

And my reply earlier in this thread was light hearted, hence the :P and ;) to try to convey as much. It was a gentle attempt to make a point and let the thread go as it was intended. This thread was made by OP to share an idea about a way he likes to relax once in a while at the end of the day, so lets leave it at that, not make every other post some sort of prohibition propaganda about the dangers of alcohol abuse. I doubt OP goes into your threads and starts posting paragraphs about why you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing and digging up statistics for ways that your choices are bad in his eyes. If you're anti-(insert topic at hand) then just scroll on to the next thread. No big deal. Happy riding, in whatever way you choose to do so. :)

There was no intention to do any anti-something here. Sorry for the misunderstanding. We were just sharing our own experiences with drinks and saying that it was not for us, because of our metabolism. And we tried to balance the alcohol propaganda discussion ;-)
In my case, I usually need to drink a lot of water after a long ride. If I drink a beer, then I need to drink double amount of water afterward otherwise I get dehydrated and a then headaches. In practice I always end up not drinking enough water since I don’t want to get up 5 times during the night.
The good feeling of the first beer is not worth it when touring due to the associated discomfort. But that is only true for myself. I do like to drink in other occasions, and even some time to get “tanked”!

Anyway as I said earlier: Most important is the brain health!
Enjoy your drink !!! with or without alcohol!

Perhaps it was a misunderstanding on my part. If so, I apologize. And if it's just one beer that dehydrates you that much, wow, tell those kidneys to calm down. I'd probably never drink at all unless I was at home with nothing to do the next day. Maybe you've got some sort of super liver/kidneys!

I understand what you're saying, but I personally suffer from headaches and dehydration if I have 2-3 beers or wine while socializing during an evening after a long strenuous day of riding, and then getting up at daybreak to ride again. I occasionally will drink socially, but this isn't a problem for me if I haven't been exercising hard.

thanks for that i missed out on a lovely one on facebook last week. not one like that mind you.

i love a nice cool pint of larger after a hard day on the bike.but i would never drink half way through a spin i think i would probably fall over.

Facebook is getting in Ebay's turf Now..?

since returning home I got one of these, in retrospect, would have been, a better instrument other than the pocket compact size..

Particularly in Louder Pubs ..


Not Young enough to get enthusiastic about owning a carbon fiber bike but I do like these
http://jazzmando.com/newmad_a5.shtml

for it's tuning stability and playing qualities .. and weather resistant construction..

Were I to have bought new , I May have opted to get more Black paint,

Black Spruce tops are a popular finish option these days ..

So, a Black top with the CF showing on the back and sides would be my pick...

wow very nice i was looking for the price of it but couldn't see it.
i wont ask;)
so do you play at the campsite when you set up tent after the days cycling or do you head to the nearest pub or whatever.

me? I like the music done with others, a conversation, so pulled it, Leo, out when there are other players,

I did Portland > San Francisco a few years ago with a friend and the two of us lugged a few 22oz bottles of strong IPA to camp every night. We're both enthusiastic drinkers of this style of beer-- but found that about three pints apiece was more than enough to help us retire for the evening.

Finding our way around the larger park campgrounds to find restrooms, etc after nightfall was at times very challenging after a few pints.

There were a few times when our "last chance" beer store was a good 20 miles (or a big-ish climb) prior to our destination, but having cold beer was always a pleasure worth whatever little extra effort it took. Sometimes we'd luck out and there'd be an insanely overpriced convenience store across the road from the park entrance, haha.

Of course my 2-3 bottles of Canadian beer would likely be the equivalent of 2-3 pints of American beer...:roflmao::cheers:

Well down here we have Oodles of Microbreweries . making pretty strong pints.

maybe more than Molson Kokanee , Labatts .. State the % per volume data..

one on hand, locally Canned , is 5.1%



web has :http://www.alcoholcontents.com/beer/ but has not caught up with all the Micros
our town has 2.

Some people have adverse reactions to the sulfites in wine. I knew one woman whose face would swell up if she drank wine so she had to avoid it. When I was at a cycling camp in in Italy this spring we all drank a lot of table wine. No preservatives like sulfites, and low alcohol content. Even if you drink enough to get snockered the next morning you don't feel as bad as you do when you get lit off regular bottled wine.

I will admit that I have ridden with some evil, evil hangovers. Some of those days I got up early (I always get up early, hangover or not) and rode hard. In every case the night before was worth it.

Everclear...add to your favorite beverage.....be careful,it's 190 proof......1/2 pnt goes alooooong ways....:)

When I brew beer at home following beginner recipes, the recipe calls for adding water after the mash-- all the fermentable sugars are there before the fermentation, so I can't see why you couldn't make a drinkable beer this way. Sounds fun. But I recommend getting a taste for a sip of whiskey at the end of the day rather than bothering with contraptions.

On RAGBRAI this year we had a "support crew" to buy our ice and beer for us. I usually put away 6-10 beers a night after wrapping up riding for the day, but since it was over the course of an afternoon I generally wasn't drunk. Never had a hangover thankfully. Was a good time!

I was never one for drinking in the outdoors while camping and such. But, when I rode part of the Great Divide, we would meet up every couple of days with some friends who were shadowing us in their car. We would pedal into camp and they would have a glass of wine waiting, and, boy, did it feel good to sit down in a camp chair and sip some wine after a long day of riding. So, now, on a tour, if the circumstances allow, we well pick up some wine along they way and enjoy it around a fire at the end of the day.

I never leave home without my collapsible plastic & metal corkscrew. Works great and weighs nothing.

I like beer. I also get up and moving early and do not have headaches or suffer from dehydration.

Victorinox http://www.smartknives.com/Victorino...nox-Waiter.htm


And there's http://www.ahrensbicycles.com/Bottle-Opener.htm

I have one of their 27,2 on my Bike Friday , stopping seat post slipping..
and the discontinued 9/8" pinch bolt one, on my threadless fork on my Koga WTR.
functioning like a 'locking Spacer' ..at the bottom of the spacer stack..

My solution may be on the unique side, but I just tuck a 6 pack in the pannier and drop it in the creek for an hour while making dinner. Real beer, real good! I get invited to go on a lot of tours with people too!