Heavy 36h Wheelsets and 32mm Paselas - Boat Anchors
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Heavy 36h Wheelsets and 32mm Paselas - Boat Anchors
On my cyclocross/cc tourer I replaced my standard lightweight wheelset and GP4000s with a old set of DC19s running Pasela 32mm (folding) - figured it would be fun to ride the bike for a while with a more legit touring wheelset. OMG, I immediately lost about 5 mph off the top end cruising and spinning it up to speed was like hill climbing. 40 miles, felt like 60.
You guys running heavy touring wheelsets & wider Pasela tires must have legs of steel; entirely comfortable pegged at -16mph. I've used that DC19 wheelset with 28mm Gatorskins, and although slow I could still get a crisp ride out of them. Add those 32mm Paselas it's like dragging something behind me thru mud. Yikes!
Maybe I need to put them at max pressure, I don't know...but that was a stunning difference. I've swapped the wheelset back, .... thinking about eBaying those Paselas.
You guys running heavy touring wheelsets & wider Pasela tires must have legs of steel; entirely comfortable pegged at -16mph. I've used that DC19 wheelset with 28mm Gatorskins, and although slow I could still get a crisp ride out of them. Add those 32mm Paselas it's like dragging something behind me thru mud. Yikes!
Maybe I need to put them at max pressure, I don't know...but that was a stunning difference. I've swapped the wheelset back, .... thinking about eBaying those Paselas.
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Just suggestions but you could always build a wheelset from Velocity Dyads or even Mavic Open Pro 36h, add some butted spokes and a decent hub, and that won't probably be too far from what weight you're accustomed to riding. Also consider some Vittoria Hyper tires in 32mm, a lightweight but robust tire.
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I ran 622 - 40 Nokian A10 and thorn resistant PV tubes on my 9 month puncture free tour..
I am just not in the same rush as you youngsters,
to knock out the miles .
sure you dont really want the race, 41, or brevet, 231, section?
I am just not in the same rush as you youngsters,
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sure you dont really want the race, 41, or brevet, 231, section?
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32mm Pasela TG is 350 g. 28mm UltraGator is 320g.
I could see 32mm being too big if you're a light person for unloaded riding but once you toss on 15-35lbs of gear the light wheels are no advantage touring. If you train with racers go ahead and put on the lightest racing wheels and see what a difference it doesn't make wrt keeping up with peers.
I could see 32mm being too big if you're a light person for unloaded riding but once you toss on 15-35lbs of gear the light wheels are no advantage touring. If you train with racers go ahead and put on the lightest racing wheels and see what a difference it doesn't make wrt keeping up with peers.
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FWIW, my philosophy is that when I'm touring (or commuting) I'm willing to trade some weight for reliability.
Maybe I'm just strong!
Maybe I'm just strong!
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32mm Pasela TG is 350 g. 28mm UltraGator is 320g.
I could see 32mm being too big if you're a light person for unloaded riding but once you toss on 15-35lbs of gear the light wheels are no advantage touring. If you train with racers go ahead and put on the lightest racing wheels and see what a difference it doesn't make wrt keeping up with peers.
I could see 32mm being too big if you're a light person for unloaded riding but once you toss on 15-35lbs of gear the light wheels are no advantage touring. If you train with racers go ahead and put on the lightest racing wheels and see what a difference it doesn't make wrt keeping up with peers.
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FrenchFit, I've run my T bike several times unloaded and without a doubt the heavy wheelset/tires make a noticeable difference in response WRT acceleration mostly, and to some degree braking. Once at speed the flywheel effect of the rotating mass maybe even a slight positive. 75 PSI seems to work well for my Pasalas though I've run as little as 65 PSI.
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Those tires don't exactly have a terrible reputation so maybe they aren't the issue. You swapped wheelsets and mentioned tires and rims but not hubs. But you did describe 'an old set of DC19s running Pasela 32mm's'.
Maybe the issue is the condition of the bearings, cones and the age if the grease in the hubs? If that's the case addressing that would be one of the cheapest 'upgrades' you could ever make.
Maybe the issue is the condition of the bearings, cones and the age if the grease in the hubs? If that's the case addressing that would be one of the cheapest 'upgrades' you could ever make.
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Well,
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
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Well,
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
My wheels arent light, with rohloff/son28 combo but I acknowledge tyres can make a difference.
I started with Schwalbe Big Apples at 60-622 (700x2.35).
Currently trialing Schwalbe Supremes (50-622 / 700x2.00) and they are much less ponderous and faster accelerating.
I find both much more comfortable than skinnier tyres (for myself).
I'll probably use the Supremes for tarmac touring combined with some 2 inch wide Mondials for any off road extended stretches.
The Big Apples are the best bang for buck being much cheaper than the other two and of similar weight to the Mondials yet with less rolling resistance and albeit less puncture resistance too.
Any trouble with the Dyads longevity and they will be swapped out with Chukkers.
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Just suggestions but you could always build a wheelset from Velocity Dyads or even Mavic Open Pro 36h, add some butted spokes and a decent hub, and that won't probably be too far from what weight you're accustomed to riding. Also consider some Vittoria Hyper tires in 32mm, a lightweight but robust tire.
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On my two regular bikes; a specialized roubaix with 23mm paselas and my fuji with 32mm paselas (and fenders and a dynamo hub with 32 spoke wheels) I don't experience any real deviations in speed between the two bikes. Over the long term they average to the same speed...
The Fuji is about 60% heavier than the specialized; however, the weight difference with me on the bike is only less than 5%.
The Fuji is about 60% heavier than the specialized; however, the weight difference with me on the bike is only less than 5%.
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Lucky for me, touring is about just that.... touring, "smelling the roses" and not looking at speed. Thank goodness cause the touring bike is heavy plus the tires are pretty fat.
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Just suggestions but you could always build a wheelset from Velocity Dyads or even Mavic Open Pro 36h, add some butted spokes and a decent hub, and that won't probably be too far from what weight you're accustomed to riding. Also consider some Vittoria Hyper tires in 32mm, a lightweight but robust tire.
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Well,
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
I'm running 48 spoke velocity chukkers with the dreaded marathon plus on the back and marathon on the front... But I'm loving the wheels!
I made a mistake the over day and hopped a curb... Still true! I'm 265 plus pack with tools, and spares...
I think it might be the bearings in the PW hub that makes up the difference.
I hate equipment failures and I hate walking home...
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Those tires don't exactly have a terrible reputation so maybe they aren't the issue. You swapped wheelsets and mentioned tires and rims but not hubs. But you did describe 'an old set of DC19s running Pasela 32mm's'.
Maybe the issue is the condition of the bearings, cones and the age if the grease in the hubs? If that's the case addressing that would be one of the cheapest 'upgrades' you could ever make.
Maybe the issue is the condition of the bearings, cones and the age if the grease in the hubs? If that's the case addressing that would be one of the cheapest 'upgrades' you could ever make.
(The bike is a lot better after tweaking my position and shaving off half of the tire tread, but I still reach for my other bike when I want to go fast.)
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Just suggestions but you could always build a wheelset from Velocity Dyads or even Mavic Open Pro 36h, add some butted spokes and a decent hub, and that won't probably be too far from what weight you're accustomed to riding. Also consider some Vittoria Hyper tires in 32mm, a lightweight but robust tire.
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For those wondering, I calculated the difference between a suspension fork and dynamo hub front wheel. It's 2.8 lbs. (I mean versus rigid fork and regular hub.) Though I'd rather have the comfort of a suspension fork and the light.