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Originally Posted by lhendrick
(Post 16400793)
Wow. Now I have to worry about my immortal soul.
With decent stealth camping skills you can sneak into heaven in the afterlife. |
Originally Posted by SmallFront
(Post 16400986)
And in countries like Sweden where you are allowed to stealth camp (i.e. you are not supposed to be seen from the road, and not supposed to be close to a house)?
Still immoral? |
Originally Posted by catonec
(Post 16401100)
no of course not, not if it is legal and socially accepted.
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Are Dynamo Hubs Worth It?
If it's legal I don't give two hoots if it's "socially acceptable".
Who the F decides what's socially acceptable? Take your morality and stuff it! :beer: |
Poor souls who live up north. We don't usually see this level of vitriol for another couple of months.
Meanwhile down south, I got a 55 mile ride in today. Temps 55-60 F, but 15-20 mph winds. I wasn't sure it it were hot or cold. Bless y'all's hearts! |
Are Dynamo Hubs Worth It?
Yeah, sorry 'bout that...
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what does the law say about public/state owned land and camping?
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Originally Posted by imi
(Post 16401132)
.....Who the F decides what's socially acceptable?.....
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Originally Posted by catonec
(Post 16400550)
just because you can sneak in and sneak out without getting caught doesnt mean you didnt trespass. Thats like driving home drunk, you didnt get pulled over or kill anyone so its ok? a bit extreme I know.
Im really not so upset about it people are going to do whatever they want it just raises a moral flag for me. |
Originally Posted by Walter S
(Post 16403619)
In most states you're not trespassing unless a) There is a clearly posted no trespassing sign or b) You are asked to leave and refuse. So if there's no sign, and you encounter nobody, you have not trespassed.
There is -- and always will be -- a grey area between ethical and legal behaviors. And there always should be. I think that if you do something wrong without the owner's knowledge and without any effect, it is less unethical than if you harm the person. Not that it's justified, but there are degrees of wrongdoing. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16404843)
Seriously? I mean, I know you're not lying, but that doesn't ring true. Perhaps my understanding is way off.
http://law.onecle.com/georgia/16/16-7-21.html |
This is one case (among many) where I'm happy to be wrong. The world is a nicer place than I thought.
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If you enter someones land without permission and without legal excuse (emergency, etc.), it is trespass regardless of whether or not there is a posted sign. If you stealth camp on private property it is trespass and if caught you may have to suffer the consequences. In my younger days I did a lot of long distance hitchhiking and stealth camped often by absolute necessity. Once, I got caught but fortunately the landowner when he learned of my circumstances permitted me to stay. On a recent bike tour, I talked to local police who allowed me to stay at a public park. I also got permission to set up a tent at a grassy area at a truck stop. (That was a bad, noisy idea). The point is, that even though I would stealth camp if it were my only option, most times it is no big deal to seek permission.
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Sweden have different laws regarding access to open natural spaces, Norway too.
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Sorry for bringing the thread back on topic:), but I have used the Sinewave Cycles Revolution USB charger and it works great for charging phones, including Apple phones, and for charging cache batteries like the Solio products or the Bushnell Solarwrap, both of which are also solar rechargeable. I take two Bushnells and charge one from the Revolution and hang one unwrapped to charge via the solar panel.
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The latest issue of Make has an instructable on making a cell phone charger out of a AC bike dyno. If you are pumping DC it would probably just mean dropping a part. Looks simple and cheap, though I would try it first on something not too expensive.
http://makezine.com/projects/pedal-power-phone-charger/ |
Originally Posted by imi
(Post 16401132)
If it's legal I don't give two hoots if it's "socially acceptable".
Who the F decides what's socially acceptable? Take your morality and stuff it! :beer: More appropriately the cops often decide if they are paid by local tax payers, and will never depend on your vote, or think they are superior to you. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16404843)
Seriously? I mean, I know you're not lying, but that doesn't ring true. Perhaps my understanding is way off.
There is -- and always will be -- a grey area between ethical and legal behaviors. And there always should be. I think that if you do something wrong without the owner's knowledge and without any effect, it is less unethical than if you harm the person. Not that it's justified, but there are degrees of wrongdoing. |
Originally Posted by catonec
(Post 16400550)
just because you can sneak in and sneak out without getting caught doesnt mean you didnt trespass. Thats like driving home drunk, you didnt get pulled over or kill anyone so its ok? a bit extreme I know.
Im really not so upset about it people are going to do whatever they want it just raises a moral flag for me. Anyway stealth camping doesn't mean trespass. The most common situation is that one can't tell who owns what. So behaving in a way that disturbs nobody, does not damage, no risks (fire), is a reasonable approach. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16404843)
There is -- and always will be -- a grey area between ethical and legal behaviors.
And of course, occasionally you get shot asking at the door. Imagine the mental anguish the shooter went through both before and after the event. One of the places I have property, we can't even keep hunters off, they have a right to hunt private land. I'm pro hunting, doesn't mean I want hunters on my property. There are risks that it is far easier not to deal with, and they are the last of the great litterbugs, along with smokers. I'd say one time in 50 years running your chainsaw into a nail they put in your tree is enough reason not to want to have them on board. |
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Originally Posted by irwin7638
(Post 16398539)
How is this in the rain. Do you have a problem with the contact slipping on the rim?
Marc |
Originally Posted by Walter S
(Post 16399087)
Gee. Sounds like fun really. But not something I'd want to Need to do every day. I'll stick with the dyno because there's no tending to it. It just works.
We usually tour with a group of 8 and bring the Biolite for full meal cooking and also bring a small butane stove to make coffee and oatmeal in the AM. One canister of fuel gets us by for the week and the Biolite does most of the dinners. Again, it is not for everyone but does fit some people's needs fairly well. The Velogical rim dyno falls into the same category; it will work well for some of us, not for others with different needs or preferences. I am just trying to get some info out there for those than might find it a good solution for their particular needs. |
Originally Posted by Zedmor
(Post 16400028)
Ok. I received a wheel mentioned in post : http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post16380963
Turn out that's a wheel from this wheel set: http://www.intelligentdesigncycles.c...wheelset-black Same seller on ebay have rear wheels for $100 Product is a surprisingly well build - it's not a cheap rim or something like that. It seems durable. Dynamo hub is pretty much same as in pictures NH-H27 Sanyo. Wheel weight is 1500 grams So all in all I believe it's a best value for dynamo hub on the market if you count a wheel rebuild job. As a rear wheel you can pick up this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/700c-Shimano...item56600c0e7b or something similar and you good to go. For USB charging I ordered this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/370935357110 I'll tell how good it will work for me in spring. |
Originally Posted by robert schlatte
(Post 16406461)
If you enter someones land without permission and without legal excuse (emergency, etc.), it is trespass regardless of whether or not there is a posted sign.
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